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WarGamer

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37. That's right... real gas guzzlers lol...

Sun Jan 22, 2023, 05:11 PM

Jan 2023

And re: how they should be used...

I wouldn't put them anywhere static. They'll be a BIG target once they're in Ukraine. Pretty much any missile, rocket, bomb or artillery projectile from above will destroy them with ease.

If you were to put a dozen of them near the Belarus border they're prime targets for artillery fire or rockets.

I'd keep them on the move where they're best suited, which is in breakouts and offensive operations. Tanks are not optimal for defense.

So... I'd have them run around in the East and Southeast.

Keep them dispersed as not to present an easy target. Keep them hidden where possible.

This isn't WW2, there won't be any Leopard vs Armata tank to tank battles... nowadays the guy in the attic with a Kornet or Javelin is the real danger to a tank.

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EXPLAINED: These are the weapons Sweden is sending to Ukraine [View all] Celerity Jan 2023 OP

Europe is starting to come through! ananda Jan 2023 #1

Ukraine is fighting their next war for them. 3Hotdogs Jan 2023 #5

Kind of what I was thinking. Caliman73 Jan 2023 #22

The Swedish CV90s are mis-eighties tech Dave says Jan 2023 #33

Excellent news! I'm glad to see other countries helping Ukraine more. Lonestarblue Jan 2023 #2

Interesting. Liberal In Texas Jan 2023 #3

Complexity is indeed a drawback. jaxexpat Jan 2023 #4

I believe one of the advantages of this system is shoot and scoot The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #9

I was going to say the same thing as you, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #10

It's a human killing machine sucking life out of the economy and draining peace from the world. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2023 #11

I'm going to assume that you mean the Russian weapons systems MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #13

+1 mitch96 Jan 2023 #17

+2 Kaleva Jan 2023 #30

So the Ukrainian's would be better off fighting off the Russian's with what? Rocks & sticks? nt EX500rider Jan 2023 #14

The comment was a generalization regarding all killing machines, wherever Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2023 #15

So what do you do when someone comes to kill you and your family and steal your goods?nt mitch96 Jan 2023 #18

Argumentative and off topic. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2023 #19

Yup, and a leading question also.. So to change the topic, what would you do? nt mitch96 Jan 2023 #21

Weapons used for aggressive attack: bad - used for self defense: good nt EX500rider Jan 2023 #23

+1 mitch96 Jan 2023 #16

Kick burrowowl Jan 2023 #6

Slava Ukraini! Thank you. This is heartening information. niyad Jan 2023 #7

I hope this helps to fast-track NATO membership for Sweden. bullwinkle428 Jan 2023 #8

Erdogan doesn't care about these weapons we send, he is too busy blocking us because he Celerity Jan 2023 #12

Yeah, but the instructions leave something to be desired.... Tommy Carcetti Jan 2023 #20

It's also a Can Opener, Fish Scaler, scissor, nail file, and has tweezers and toothpick Beetwasher. Jan 2023 #24

We are Sweden, not Switzerland Celerity Jan 2023 #27

Close enough Beetwasher. Jan 2023 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2023 #34

Darn, I'd already bought my airline tickets to Stockholm to open a Swiss bank account. WarGamer Jan 2023 #35

Tanks, Sweden. JudyM Jan 2023 #25

It is hard for this peacenik to cheer weapons systems... albacore Jan 2023 #26

The math needs a check DFW Jan 2023 #28

Thanks for that explanation leftstreet Jan 2023 #31

I had a talk with my brother about this. More clarification: DFW Jan 2023 #32

The Abrams M1's gas turbine can run on basically any fluid that can burn, Emrys Jan 2023 #36

That's right... real gas guzzlers lol... WarGamer Jan 2023 #37

What Emrys said. Aristus Jan 2023 #38

The almost unbelievable Russian design of keeping their ammunition next to the crew was fatal DFW Jan 2023 #39

In the initial design stages of the T-64, the first Soviet tank to use an auto-loader, Aristus Jan 2023 #40

Germany now says if Poland wants to send Leopard 2s to Ukraine, it won't stand in its way Emrys Jan 2023 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2023 #41

I missed that, sorry! DFW Jan 2023 #42

They put the wrong figure in again, ffs, you were right, 390 million euros is correct Celerity Jan 2023 #43

SEK has been shit against the USD for a long spell, and versus the Euro it's not great Celerity Jan 2023 #44

I haven't been up there in 4 years or so. DFW Jan 2023 #45

25%, 12%, 6% or VAT exempt. Here is a list from Skatteverket. Celerity Jan 2023 #46

OMG!! Kakor? Det kan inte vara allvarligt!! DFW Jan 2023 #47