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Sat May 27, 2023, 08:27 AM May 2023

There isn't a 'masculinity crisis.' Conservative men are just babies [View all]


There isn't a 'masculinity crisis.' Conservative men are just babies
Hunter for Daily Kos
Daily Kos Staff
Friday May 26, 2023 · 5:26 PM EDT
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A new episode of The New York Times’ “Matter of Opinion” podcast featuring Ross Douthat, heaven help us all, has just dropped. It asks the truly most pressing question of our times: "What is the point of men in the 21st century?" Yeah, the Times is "exploring the crisis of masculinity in America," and asking how men might "stay relevant," which is something normal people think about all the time, or at least some of the time.

If any of that makes you want to actually listen to the show or even read the transcript, there is probably something wrong with you; listening to the voices behind The New York Times opinion pages debate what makes men manly is, on the scale of ear-bleedingly terrible things, roughly akin to asking the Kardashians to weigh in on mine safety regulations or listening to Augusto Pinochet talk for an hour about knitted tea cozies.

I will spare you the details from the transcript, other than the Times crew pondering to themselves why women don't like accused rapist and performative misogynist Andrew Tate and do like men who are the complete f–king opposite of that, and what's going to happen to all the little boys who want to grow up and have muscles and girlfriends and sports cars.

If you were to make it through the first third of the segment, though, you would reach the part where Douthat gets to weigh in with a bit of amateur anthropology, grousing that with the decline of heavy manufacturing and rise of the service economy, men are "in a crisis" because "[t]heir skill sets, the benefits of their greater upper-body strength, and so on are no longer as economically useful."

And, later: "Men essentially have a kind of physical condition that makes them poorly suited for the sort of service-based economy, office jobs, all of these kinds of things, to say nothing of changes in social life."

Oh dear God, now conservatives want us to start handing out handicapped parking spaces to men with the "physical condition" of being unable to fully use their upper body strength. What the hell is the point of being a man if you can't lift things?


That was the point where I bowed out. If you think you have a stronger stomach than me when it comes to conservatives making up new existential crises to whine about, then you can listen to however much more of it you want to, just so long as we stipulate here that I warned you, I really damn well did, and any further exposure to Douthat is your own damn fault.

Still, though, I think it is important to answer the question the Times manufactured for itself, in between labored and evidence-averse stories suggesting that the real problems of the day are that trans children are getting too much medical care and other conservative-premised gibberish.

There is no "crisis of masculinity" in America. It does not exist. It is made up, just as it has been made up at every other point in history including 1.) when women were allowed to vote, 2.) when women began to enter the "workforce" in slightly larger numbers than in the decade before that, or 3.) when women were able to open bank accounts without their husbands' permissions. There are wonderful old-timey comics featuring sad-sack men in dresses crying about their fate when those other historical trends poked at their fragile emotions.

The problem in America is not that the menfolk are adrift due to cultural changes that do not allow them to fully use their upper body strength. The problem is not that the womenfolk are looking at the astonishingly scuzzy Andrew Tate with disgust while turning their gazes instead to men who know how to clean themselves and/or own slacks.

The problem is that conservative men are big gigantic whining babies about everything, whimpering to themselves whenever any event happens in the world that does not revolve around them and their own personal desires.

The "crisis" is that liberal men have taken all the masculinity for themselves while conservative men work themselves up into crying, flag-waving tantrums whenever cartoon candy mascots show up with less sexy footwear than they had been hoping for. The Andrew Tates of the world are the least manly men there are, and the "crisis" is a modern conservative fetishization of so-called "masculinity" that considers any cultural reference other than low burping sounds to be an affront against their "way of life."

Conservative men are the biggest snowflakes on the planet right now. They're infantile in their presumptions of what "manhood" is supposed to be. Being a "man," to the American right, means being able to shoot people who knock on your front door. It means lying about elections when elections don't go your way. It means "protecting" your family by making sure any LGBTQ+ children in your child's school are punished good and hard if they so much as remind anyone else of their existence.

Conservative manhood is shooting a case of beer because of some momentary corporate acknowledgement of someone who Is Not Them. It's sucking up to the most transparent grifting political crook of the last century because he makes up insulting nicknames for the other candidates and, to a manly man, that's just about the most manly behavior anyone on the right can think of.


The "crisis of masculinity" in America is because an entire segment of the "manly" conservative population can't handle setbacks like "wear a mask in public to keep other people from dying during a national crisis" or "how about you let gay men exist without wetting your goddamn pants every time someone references one in conversation.” It's an entire movement of cowering snowflakes who do shit like this and think it's being masculine, instead of being over-the-top “South Park” satire about what your bullshit "movement" thinks it is.

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I'm Drum, and I agree with this message. Drum May 2023 #1
Yeppers. GreenWave May 2023 #2
Afraid of getting cooties from a beer can. Rustynaerduwell May 2023 #3
They already have those cooties, they're just in denial. TheBlackAdder May 2023 #17
This. n/t ms liberty May 2023 #4
Kick dalton99a May 2023 #5
So true! Pacifist Patriot May 2023 #6
K&R Diamond_Dog May 2023 #7
I'm pretty sure ITAL May 2023 #8
Carrying too much body fat has a monster impact on testosterone JanMichael May 2023 #12
And their idol is a vain orange haystack who spends two hours a day on his hair and make up Walleye May 2023 #9
It's because he looked so virile and manly in the drawings for his NFT trading cards! tanyev May 2023 #36
Great post. Stop reading my mind! lindysalsagal May 2023 #10
You can find the same fears in the 19th century Maeve May 2023 #11
By Douthat's logic, Women Must Rule Men Bernardo de La Paz May 2023 #13
New York Times' Ross Douthat longs to restore the white elite -- well, here it is Celerity May 2023 #41
A cultural mistake... 2naSalit May 2023 #14
You figured it out! Now the rest of you wake up Stargazer99 May 2023 #52
Ironically, this author proves the masculinity crisis trying to deny it NickB79 May 2023 #15
Good post. Simple to write an article like this, making fun of these guys and we all cheer along Hugh_Lebowski May 2023 #20
That is a good point GenThePerservering May 2023 #51
Not sure this kind of stuff is going to get us more votes gulliver May 2023 #16
I rarely read Douthat's columns because he constantly takes potshots at liberals and pushes Lonestarblue May 2023 #18
Usual GOP word hijacking. Douthat wouldn't know a conservative if he were in a phone booth with one DFW May 2023 #19
I'm glad you raised this topic. I think the most masculine thing a man can do is ... planetc May 2023 #21
Now that is a man! Stargazer99 May 2023 #53
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2023 #22
From "If Life is a Game, These Are the Rules": usonian May 2023 #23
The qualities of real men, real women - and all real human beings of any gender. Martin68 May 2023 #25
Yes indeed. Evolve Dammit May 2023 #39
"Conservative men are just babies." Exactly. Although I'd term them "crybabies." Martin68 May 2023 #24
And FQX's solution to the "masculinity crisis" KS Toronado May 2023 #26
Back in the seventies Missiris May 2023 #27
Thanks for posting this, babylonsister. momta May 2023 #28
Snowflakes SledDriver May 2023 #29
I don't know about you, but the last person I think about when it comes to "upper-body strength"... keep_left May 2023 #30
Kickin' Faux pas May 2023 #31
Good Read ProfessorGAC May 2023 #32
Check out this guy, real catch, lol. Mosby May 2023 #33
It's generally pretty obvious when people are using HGH TRT JanMichael May 2023 #35
Chasing the fountain of youth. We are what we are. Do your best and fuck the rest. Evolve Dammit May 2023 #40
Thanks for the glossary at the end of this post! ShazzieB May 2023 #46
Tren bologna sandwiches is just a sarcastic way of saying trenbuterol JanMichael May 2023 #48
Yep BeerBarrelPolka May 2023 #59
There are women who like guys like that, radius777 May 2023 #61
SO true!!! Scrivener7 May 2023 #34
That whole "alpha male vs beta male" thing that guys like Nick Adams boast about... Initech May 2023 #37
It needed to be said and I'm glad senseandsensibility May 2023 #38
Nailed it. republianmushroom May 2023 #42
And that's the crisis. malthaussen May 2023 #43
This is so accurate enigmania May 2023 #44
Accurate indeed. Chi67 May 2023 #45
I've lived around them for most of my life. Their mental and emotional development Axelrods_Typewriter May 2023 #56
Agreed, except that they "top out" at more like 6 or 7. mwb970 May 2023 #58
Hahahahahahha and Ohhhh HELL YESSSSS!!!! nt Trueblue Texan May 2023 #47
Certain men are definitely having a masculinity crisis. Iggo May 2023 #49
K & R EleanorR May 2023 #50
Seems like this should be worded differently. How about: There is a masculinity crisis and it's Quixote1818 May 2023 #54
Tucker's junklight will save the big strong mens Blue Owl May 2023 #55
Conservatives behave like small children all the time. mwb970 May 2023 #57
I think there is a crisis amongst men not limited to conservative males. radius777 May 2023 #60
It's Revenge of the Nerds and the Jocks hate it. Xipe Totec May 2023 #63
They don't understand how to lose. It is hopeless. The Jungle 1 May 2023 #62
Conservatives make the most sterotypical liberal arts college "snowflake" portestors... JHB May 2023 #64
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