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pnwmom

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22. Somebody replied that the cover sheets might be fakes bought on ETSY.
Sat May 27, 2023, 03:03 PM
May 2023
https://www.dailykos.com/comments/2171698/86258506#comment_86258506

Note that there is no form number on the white-bordered Trump cover sheets. Photocopying does not explain the absence of those markings. What that tells me that the cover sheet was not an official government form. Instead, Trump probably ordered them on Etsy. www.etsy.com/… (not the precise item, but I’m sure there are other listings and non-Etsy sources).

I also don’t see staples in any of the Trump cover sheets with white borders. While that could be a photo quality issue, it could also mean that the Etsy cover sheets weren’t attached to actual secret (or non-secret) documents.

SNIP

Does that mean that Trump was printing multiple copies of secret documents, but didn’t want to splurge on a color copier to copy the cover sheets? Was he using Etsy cover sheets to pass off non-secret documents as secret? Or was he just using the Etsy sheets as party favors? I don’t know, but I am rather confident that your diary does not prove what it set out to prove.

Final point: How do you know that the pages in the photo were the “standard sheets of paper” for which everyone knows the size? (Do you think Trump couldn’t print half-sheets or poster-size sheets of paper?) You know that these were standard-size sheets of paper because the FBI put a ruler next to them. That is standard procedure. Otherwise, an agent would have to testify that the pages were 8.5 by 11, and would be asked “Did you measure them? Are you certain that they weren’t 9 x 11.5? And if you are lying to the jury about that, what else are you lying about? If you were that sloppy, what else about this investigation was sloppy?”

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K&R for visibility Blue Owl May 2023 #1
Can you simplify what you are saying.? triron May 2023 #2
simply put, the picture that was taken of the secret document cover sheets at Mar A Lago drray23 May 2023 #4
That or traded for current and or future favors such as a safe harbour to do a Snowden. cstanleytech May 2023 #67
I think it's implying that the lower center doc is a photocopy... Drum May 2023 #5
But most of the yellow copies have a white border except for one. OMGWTF May 2023 #23
If you click through to the source article soldierant May 2023 #27
I would have titled this post differently. RipVanWinkle May 2023 #10
Good point. My title -is- a bit "clickbaity"... Shipwack May 2023 #21
Unfortunately we live in markodochartaigh May 2023 #34
The cover sheets indicate that copies were made wnylib May 2023 #13
pics (some of the Trump docs' cover sheets do not bleed to the edge, so they are perhaps copies) Celerity May 2023 #24
The cover sheets themselves are unclassified. COL Mustard May 2023 #31
I highly doubt moniss May 2023 #37
Some of Donnie's customers may have demanded the original KS Toronado May 2023 #47
That was my thought moniss May 2023 #49
For the first time, this post made me focus on image details. Igel May 2023 #54
The bright white canetoad May 2023 #65
K&R usonian May 2023 #3
In so many ways already onetexan May 2023 #25
28 months and counting republianmushroom May 2023 #6
++++. Tetrachloride May 2023 #7
23 Bernardo de La Paz May 2023 #51
Question ? republianmushroom May 2023 #8
Investigators would want to know who handled them. Kid Berwyn May 2023 #75
And still they walk free. Autumn May 2023 #9
Once they are scanned (for copying or otherwise) they are in the wild. erronis May 2023 #11
Agreed gratuitous May 2023 #41
It is my understanding . . . Richard D May 2023 #12
It appears that some do, and some do not ... jgo May 2023 #14
thx for cogent, expert, and brilliant analysis! bringthePaine May 2023 #15
It's ALWAYS worse than you can imagine n/t hibbing May 2023 #16
Just imagine the moniss May 2023 #50
This is a disturbing detail. yourmovemonkey May 2023 #17
He sold them. We know he sold them... Joinfortmill May 2023 #18
In those documents there were some marked TK ... Botany May 2023 #19
Looking at originals and copies. Ilsa May 2023 #20
Why would the agents need special clearance to take the photo? JustABozoOnThisBus May 2023 #29
The agents encountered documents they didn't have clearance for. forgotmylogin May 2023 #36
Agents have limited clearance, I guess. Ilsa May 2023 #40
Somebody replied that the cover sheets might be fakes bought on ETSY. pnwmom May 2023 #22
That *is* pretty weird, isn't it? malthaussen May 2023 #35
I think? If you were just making a copy for content, you wouldn't waste color ink. forgotmylogin May 2023 #38
I'm going out on a limb moniss May 2023 #45
You can't take most electronic computing devices into a closed area... reACTIONary May 2023 #52
The keys moniss May 2023 #58
It never came up in our training... reACTIONary May 2023 #61
This is one of the fob designs moniss May 2023 #66
I see... reACTIONary May 2023 #69
Yes and they disguise moniss May 2023 #83
That would work. malthaussen May 2023 #53
Given the number moniss May 2023 #59
Looks like color copies. Qutzupalotl May 2023 #26
When he took the election in 2016, I thought the worst liberal N proud May 2023 #28
This country has been through worse events than Trump. 1. CIVIL WAR 2. WORLD WAR 1 . WORLD WAR 2, Stuart G May 2023 #33
It's more than his stealing documents liberal N proud May 2023 #39
Unfortunately I think even when he's dead we'll still be learning of the scope of his crimes. Axelrods_Typewriter May 2023 #68
I agree. nt. reACTIONary May 2023 #55
That's an interesting twist. Paints everything as more deliberate. Vinca May 2023 #30
Wow! Martin68 May 2023 #32
Maybe somebody here moniss May 2023 #42
Yup - I remember the smell of the mimeograph solution and the smear of the carbon copies. erronis May 2023 #44
I see so maybe moniss May 2023 #48
It's possible that he made copies of docs before turning over original docs to FBI in June wishstar May 2023 #43
I'll correct that for you: "It's probable that he made copies of docs....." erronis May 2023 #46
what pisses me off most about this newdayneeded May 2023 #56
The detectives are more clever than the (soon to be?) accused. usonian May 2023 #57
If it was truly OK for Trump to have classified docs, there would be no need for him to lie about it keithbvadu2 May 2023 #60
DT Snackshack May 2023 #62
As for cover pages... reACTIONary May 2023 #63
As for copiers and printers... reACTIONary May 2023 #64
been waiting for this stopdiggin May 2023 #71
Totally agree, and... reACTIONary May 2023 #73
yeah. I'm not getting that as tremendously 'significant' either stopdiggin May 2023 #77
The article said that there are indications that the copies were made outside the White House. yardwork May 2023 #72
And we must wonder why he was/is so insistent on saying he "de-classified" them?? kentuck May 2023 #74
How could anyone tell... reACTIONary May 2023 #76
The article at the link has a lot of details. yardwork May 2023 #80
I read the article, carefully... reACTIONary May 2023 #82
Captured, killed or compromised: CIA admits to losing dozens of informants Danascot May 2023 #70
Here are two obvious questions, and an observation. Goodheart May 2023 #78
Looks like he got them on Etsy RexLipton May 2023 #79
Granted, theoretically possible... But why? Shipwack May 2023 #84
Naw that's not them FreeState May 2023 #85
NYT Oct 2021: "Captured, Killed or Compromised: C.I.A. Admits to Losing Dozens of Informants" Hortensis May 2023 #81
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