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Elessar Zappa

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54. Human nature is what it is.

Tue Oct 3, 2023, 01:02 PM

Oct 2023

Some use religion as an excuse. The USSR was an oppressive atheistic state. Christian fundamentalism is hurting our country, no doubt about that. But another thing is that Black progressives are largely very religious and are a key base of our party. If Democrats run as anti-religion we’ll lose every election, guaranteed.

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America doesn't need more God. It needs more atheists. [View all] Nevilledog Oct 2023 OP

god sucks, don't believe it...ask him yourself... MiHale Oct 2023 #1

"He" a cruel dickhead and a murderous sociopath. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #12

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How old are you? Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #56

I knew at age 7 that it was all crazy nonsense. mwb970 Oct 2023 #149

Exactly. Same time I stopped believing in Santa Claus. docgee Oct 2023 #155

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Ummmm, ok docgee Oct 2023 #212

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Age 8 I asked my grandmother.. Butterflylady Nov 2023 #264

It needs more Buddhism vlyons Oct 2023 #2

I had an interest, and many people I respect are Buddhist, cilla4progress Oct 2023 #7

well it did spring from Hinduism prodigitalson Oct 2023 #24

not really. that is a misconception vlyons Oct 2023 #76

That's a fact. Sidartha studied many different religions and mental disciplines before he developed Martin68 Oct 2023 #85

Maybe at the same time? ancianita Oct 2023 #106

It is clear that buddhism strongly influenced Hinduism, including the prohibition to eat meat. Martin68 Oct 2023 #129

well yeah, the rejection is the springing prodigitalson Oct 2023 #125

karma just means "action" vlyons Oct 2023 #31

Until you realize Karma is harmfu FreeState Oct 2023 #123

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It is true that the concept of Karma was used to rationalize the caste system. It allowed Martin68 Oct 2023 #132

I believe we have the ability to choose our conduct no one is forcing our behavior Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #146

++ llashram Oct 2023 #18

For many years now, the Dalai Lama has been advocating secular ethics are not based on any vlyons Oct 2023 #33

Is he still saying that the only way a woman can become ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #131

Nonsense, he's never said anything like that vlyons Oct 2023 #133

I provided a link where he did say it ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #136

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2023 #57

Don't Buddhists believe in reincarnation? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #58

Yes many do vlyons Oct 2023 #77

Fair enough... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #79

Buddhists don't always live up to the advertising Warpy Oct 2023 #75

No, we don't. ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #130

They are the ones who believe mummies have reached nirvana Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #214

*the world redqueen Oct 2023 #3

I'm hoping Gen Z will help kill it off eventually. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #21

It won't though, die that is. Not for a long time ismnotwasm Oct 2023 #67

My theory is that people who aren't very religious become vulnerable when they have children. Sucha NastyWoman Oct 2023 #93

What sickening is they don't pay taxes and most of the mega church leaders enrich themselves SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #69

IMO, there's lots of atheists roaming around. no_hypocrisy Oct 2023 #4

That's one of the topics discussed in the linked article. n/t thesquanderer Oct 2023 #43

Tell someone you are an atheist and most freak out AllyCat Oct 2023 #87

Total agreement no_hypocrisy Oct 2023 #94

Boo. I'm sorry. AllyCat Oct 2023 #95

The inevitable Pascal's Wager - Which is one I have refused to make. GoneOffShore Oct 2023 #115

Tell them they're in more danger if they're wrong ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #135

The correct answer to that is "Why, thank you!" hunter Oct 2023 #104

I know ForgedCrank Oct 2023 #101

YyyyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuP. AnrothElf Oct 2023 #145

I agree. Religion, Politics, Your wealth, and even music is best kept to yourself. airplaneman Oct 2023 #147

It's all out in the open for me. I will never closet myself. Celerity Oct 2023 #164

"Kids sure play funny music these days, ..." stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #253

Miss Monique - Siona Records: 4th Anniversary @ Mykonos [Melodic Techno DJ Mix] 4K Celerity Oct 2023 #259

The Bible clearly teaches that unbelievers are bad people. Mariana Oct 2023 #248

Yes they are and I don't know why. Butterflylady Nov 2023 #265

No. betsuni Oct 2023 #5

it does - you cant run a modern country with people that believe in leprechauns Blues Heron Oct 2023 #6

No. I live in Japan. Extremely conservative and all the bullshit and NOT RELIGIOUS. betsuni Oct 2023 #9

Most Americans believe that stupid supernatural mythology Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #15

The thing that really gets me is... Ligyron Oct 2023 #134

Yep. OldBaldy1701E Oct 2023 #154

I know! It's like, okay, you want a straightforward mythology, Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #165

Yes. betsuni Oct 2023 #177

There are temples everywhere in Japan, packed with people leaving offerings Blues Heron Oct 2023 #20

No, nothing like fundamentalist religion. It's superstition. betsuni Oct 2023 #175

I'm pretty sure Japan is not "NOT RELIGIOUS" masmdu Oct 2023 #153

No, they're not. betsuni Oct 2023 #174

Um, isn't praying, going to temples and shrines for funerals and weddings masmdu Oct 2023 #192

Wait, Japan doesn't have odd religious observances ? eppur_se_muova Oct 2023 #203

Muise Nasruddin Oct 2023 #81

Yes FrankBooth Oct 2023 #35

Religion is a tool. It's not the problem. betsuni Oct 2023 #176

Tool? FrankBooth Oct 2023 #238

Damn straight! IrishAfricanAmerican Oct 2023 #8

Religion is the fuel for the gqp. It's politics. lindysalsagal Oct 2023 #10

Really? Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #27

What I've learned by joining a bible group... ancianita Oct 2023 #74

It needs its religious folk to understand they can't dictate Qutzupalotl Oct 2023 #11

The more a person specificically and forcefully declares their religious affiliations. . . Collimator Oct 2023 #29

+1 ShazzieB Oct 2023 #184

People need more education. nt leftyladyfrommo Oct 2023 #13

Damn skippy! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #191

It could also use wryter2000 Oct 2023 #14

He also didn't say a thing about abortion wryter2000 Oct 2023 #19

One of my favorite memes... ancianita Oct 2023 #109

Excellent piece. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #16

here, here duckworth969 Oct 2023 #17

At this point, religion in America is a fetish. Iggo Oct 2023 #22

Agnostic here. hay rick Oct 2023 #23

Atheism is not a "faith." Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #26

TY for posting this. Duppers Oct 2023 #45

... Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #62

True. ancianita Oct 2023 #90

Maybe we just haven't seen the evidence, Sucha NastyWoman Oct 2023 #98

Well, in the absence of evidence, the default is Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #102

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Not collecting stamps is not a "hobby". mwb970 Oct 2023 #151

Refusing to believe the unprovable is not a faith. But also... thesquanderer Oct 2023 #41

Yes. The difference is between believing there is no god and not believing in god. hay rick Oct 2023 #73

"I view the existence/non-existence of god as unknowable" is totally compatible with atheism Silent3 Oct 2023 #111

+1 ancianita Oct 2023 #113

That's like saying edhopper Oct 2023 #55

WHAT!? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #64

It is not logical lly possible to prove a negative Buckeyeblue Oct 2023 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #198

Is it already a day that ends in 'y'? sarisataka Oct 2023 #25

Most people are only one god away... MiHale Oct 2023 #28

There is only One True God! Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #121

Oh!... Pasta must be al dente no "soft spots" allowed... MiHale Oct 2023 #122

It doesn't need religion dictating anything ismnotwasm Oct 2023 #30

agree republianmushroom Oct 2023 #32

Amen to that! Initech Oct 2023 #34

When I see these articles/threads, I like to trot this out Tripper11 Oct 2023 #36

Love him. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #65

I remember on The Atheist Experience when Tracy said she was more moral than gawd. Ligyron Oct 2023 #157

Spot on AllyCat Oct 2023 #91

Thank you for posting this, it is spot on GreenEyedLefty Oct 2023 #252

I think MAGATs cilla4progress Oct 2023 #37

Hear! Hear! Aye! ShazamIam Oct 2023 #38

+ 1000 Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #39

I will nicely disagree, NT Tickle Oct 2023 #40

I consider myself... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #42

Add to the list... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #44

Pretty much every societal evil you can imagine was either created or propagated through religion Major Nikon Oct 2023 #46

Which God? modrepub Oct 2023 #47

+1 ancianita Oct 2023 #97

+100! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #186

That stupid fking Buybull story about the talking snake and blaming a woman of all of life's ills OMGWTF Oct 2023 #48

Yeah, everything went to hell when that woman aroused the snake. hunter Oct 2023 #112

Religion scam chouchou Oct 2023 #49

Religion is vile budkin Oct 2023 #50

tax 'em good and proper, they'll skulk away... bringthePaine Oct 2023 #52

Atheism is just as dogmatic as organized religion or belief in a god. triron Oct 2023 #53

No it is not as dogmatic. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #60

Some cosmologists and theoretical physicists would probably not agree triron Oct 2023 #96

+1 ShazzieB Oct 2023 #187

Find one and show their evidence. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #241

Citation needed. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #261

BS. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #68

Well said. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #71

Nope. It is just the lack of belief in any gods. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #182

Human nature is what it is. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #54

Excellent points! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #262

Well the two countries with the Roc2020 Oct 2023 #59

Rightwing ideology uses religion as a cloak of morality Martin Eden Oct 2023 #61

I've been an atheist for 35+ years. newdayneeded Oct 2023 #63

And not just Sandy Hook, how about ... Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #70

Oh look, it's another "Lets drive liberal Christians away from DU" thread! LW1977 Oct 2023 #66

I agree with you, Bayard Oct 2023 #86

then go vote for the other guys. Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #107

For me, it's disrespect that probably wouldn't be thrown phylny Oct 2023 #118

Hear, hear! ShazzieB Oct 2023 #190

Nope, the Rethuglican "Christians" CINOs (Christian In Name OnlyJ LW1977 Oct 2023 #158

Way to completely miss the point. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #194

I suppose you could always turn the other cheek. ;-) thesquanderer Oct 2023 #114

Yes to this a thousand times. phylny Oct 2023 #117

I'm some kind of Social Justice Warrior Catholic heretic. I don't feel driven away from this place. hunter Oct 2023 #119

Must be rough being a Christian and face all the persecution in the US. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2023 #242

What we really need is fewer assholes. dawg Oct 2023 #72

Though I am devout, I was raised to have respect for the beliefs of all others. PatrickforB Oct 2023 #78

I don't automatically "have respect for the beliefs of all others." hunter Oct 2023 #159

I hear you. The fact that religious zealots make it miserable for everyone around PatrickforB Oct 2023 #163

Yes. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #199

Probably true Bettie Oct 2023 #80

Can I get an amen? Nasruddin Oct 2023 #82

One Tin Soldier VGNonly Oct 2023 #83

There's nothing magic about atheists. Stalin deliberately killed 6 million countrymen, and it Martin68 Oct 2023 #84

Well, God was never the problem FakeNoose Oct 2023 #88

This 👆 JanLip Oct 2023 #143

God is not the problem because it doesn't actually exist. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #166

A quote attributed to the Roman Stoic and Philosopher Seneca the Younger; A HERETIC I AM Oct 2023 #89

2000 years later and still apropos! wolfie001 Oct 2023 #103

Religion is about death. dchill Oct 2023 #92

Author just kind of forgets the entire 20th Century happened Sympthsical Oct 2023 #99

I don't disagree in principle.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #105

If religion disappeared tomorrow Sympthsical Oct 2023 #116

Sure. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #120

You can't argue against any absolute authority Sympthsical Oct 2023 #170

Not the same thing. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #185

Tell that to the Opus Dei freaks Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #167

If they're ever over at my house Sympthsical Oct 2023 #169

Yeah, I'm sure that will restore the right to bodily autonomy Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #171

Someone's religious beliefs trump everyone else's civil rights. czarjak Oct 2023 #173

It's beyond infuriating. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #210

I couldn't hit the recommend button fast enough!!! wolfie001 Oct 2023 #100

Instead of "don't say gay", normalize "don't say God". intrepidity Oct 2023 #110

AMEN! SergeStorms Oct 2023 #124

Best statement ever NHvet Oct 2023 #127

"Religion" Does NOT Equal Christianity! Deep State Witch Oct 2023 #128

Tomato, tomahto Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #168

Christianity is not unique. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #204

Don't be an asshole. Please. twodogsbarking Oct 2023 #137

Kickin' & Rec'n Faux pas Oct 2023 #138

Funny you posted this.... RSherman Oct 2023 #139

Disagree here. garybeck Oct 2023 #140

Atheists are not morally superior to anyone else. milestogo Oct 2023 #141

Au contraire. Our world would be MUCH better off Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #161

ANYONE can have irrational beliefs milestogo Oct 2023 #196

I liked this part. Eko Oct 2023 #142

I'm a Christian Socialist AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #144

Religious people simply baffle me. mwb970 Oct 2023 #148

agreed Skittles Oct 2023 #152

Agree. Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #162

very tired of religious delusions, er, beliefs Skittles Oct 2023 #150

Not sure about atheists, but America definitely needs more rational thinking in high places. nt Wounded Bear Oct 2023 #156

There ain't no god PJMcK Oct 2023 #160

Having read (skimmed) all of this. usonian Oct 2023 #172

Oh boy, another thread shitting all over religion and belief in God. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #178

+1 betsuni Oct 2023 #180

There are good people who are religious. That's doesn't make religion good. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #188

None of that addresses the point I made. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #193

Sure... and there are law-abiding gun owners. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #200

Religion has a lot of downsides, sure. A cursory glance at history proves that. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #256

Respect for one another is what's needed. Kid Berwyn Oct 2023 #195

I agree entirely. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #257

If we automatically respect all religion... hunter Oct 2023 #225

No one is saying you have to automatically respect all religion. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #258

"Beliefs" & Genitals Have These Things In Common... MayReasonRule Oct 2023 #179

God is just a human created sindri Oct 2023 #181

One of these days RocRizzo55 Oct 2023 #183

Amen Ferrets are Cool Oct 2023 #197

and they all said, AMEN! n/t Brainstormy Oct 2023 #201

Somehow,, some atheists think they are smarter and more perfect and right than the rest of us. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #202

This message was self-deleted by its author Towlie Oct 2023 #206

Simple question that get's right to the point: Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author Towlie Oct 2023 #208

Are you talking about Santa Claus or the Sanity Clause? Wonder Why Oct 2023 #211

Strike one...as I figured. Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #215

I can't answer as I am not a believer. But let's consider about your Santa Claus person Wonder Why Oct 2023 #243

Forward your post to Biden and Carter Kaleva Oct 2023 #221

Strike Two... Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #223

What do think of Biden s and Carter's faith? Kaleva Oct 2023 #227

Strike 3...lol. Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #229

Just post your answer. Do you trust deeply religious Biden? Kaleva Oct 2023 #244

They won't be back to this conversation sarisataka Oct 2023 #246

I didn't think he supported Biden because of his refusal to say he did Kaleva Oct 2023 #255

My opinion of a grown adult who believes in Santa Clause (sic) sarisataka Oct 2023 #226

Christ..don't even know where to begin with this... Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #231

Now THAT is an interesting view sarisataka Oct 2023 #236

And some Christians openly and proudly discriminate against atheists. Mariana Oct 2023 #250

My point exactly. So, like me, you don't agree with the O.P.'s contention. However, among DUers, I Wonder Why Oct 2023 #251

The world's religions can be considered equally valid only if they're considered equally worthless. Towlie Oct 2023 #209

And does that mean you feel superior to everyone? Wonder Why Oct 2023 #213

I'll bite... Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #216

FAR SUPERIOR sarisataka Oct 2023 #220

Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #224

Good to know you think so little of our leadership sarisataka Oct 2023 #228

If one EVER had or WILL have that choice, then YES, a resounding YES!!! Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #230

Very well sarisataka Oct 2023 #232

Oh. THIS Candidate??? Read the quotes first, then read who said it...lol. Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #235

There is this old book sarisataka Oct 2023 #237

Wow...fish in a barrel...too easy.. Fix The Stupid Oct 2023 #239

I am not one who takes the Bible literally sarisataka Oct 2023 #240

JUst like the CINOs. Don't quote Christ. Quote the Old Testament. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #245

My religion teaches me to do unto others as I would want done to myself. dawg Oct 2023 #217

the card table in my bedroom NJCher Oct 2023 #219

We all strongly support deeply religious Biden Kaleva Oct 2023 #222

I would support him just the same if he was an atheist. Mariana Oct 2023 #249

Biden s religious convictions don't bother most Democrats I think. Kaleva Oct 2023 #254

Think he would have been elected if he were an atheist? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2023 #260

He might not even got past the primary Kaleva Oct 2023 #263

As an atheist, no MistakenLamb Oct 2023 #234

+100. Thanks. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #247