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Voltaire2

(13,041 posts) Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:32 AM Nov 2023

Point of observation: the IDF has not found compelling evidence that the Al-Shifa Hospital was in fact a Hamas base. [View all]

"Here’s what we know:
The Israeli Army has not presented much evidence that Hamas used Al-Shifa Hospital as a base. A military spokesman said the search would take time."
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/16/world/israel-hamas-gaza-war-news (paywall, sorry)

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Point of observation: the IDF has not found compelling evidence that the Al-Shifa Hospital was in fact a Hamas base. [View all] Voltaire2 Nov 2023 OP

And the NYT found no evidence of Russian interference in our elections. yardwork Nov 2023 #1

But plenty of evidence on Hillary and her emails dalton99a Nov 2023 #2

Well the NY Times did find those WMDs in Iraq (Sarcasm) JohnSJ Nov 2023 #3

Yes and they were Hope22 Nov 2023 #7

"somewhat" was his qualifier WhiteTara Nov 2023 #35

Ah that must be it. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #4

You tell me. Who do you think is in on it? yardwork Nov 2023 #6

This is your conspiracy. Don't expect Voltaire2 to do your heavy lifting. NCIndie Nov 2023 #12

Can Voltaire answer for themselves? yardwork Nov 2023 #17

No doubt. NCIndie Nov 2023 #20

You were inflamed by my question? yardwork Nov 2023 #21

And you proved my point. You aren't interested in discussing the merits of the story. NCIndie Nov 2023 #22

Nobody. The silence is very loud, that's the point. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #26

Maybe. I can think of some other reasons. yardwork Nov 2023 #31

how would dead hamas soldiers and weapons be confidential? Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #33

Voltaire as far as I am aware BBC is the only group so far that has been allowed into the hospital JohnSJ Nov 2023 #8

Not exactly confirmation of a hamas military base Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #9

As I said I will wait until a full assessment is done. From my perspective I personally trust BBC's reporting JohnSJ Nov 2023 #10

I find it highly unlikely that hamas would leave Butterflylady Nov 2023 #36

I am not sure about that. I personally think Hamas underestimated the response from Israel, and assumed JohnSJ Nov 2023 #38

Why would I trust the IDF? malaise Nov 2023 #18

The reality is that we will never know the full truth. NCIndie Nov 2023 #13

I think we will if any of the hostages are released or rescued. According to the BBC report Israel has said JohnSJ Nov 2023 #15

BUT T_A Nov 2023 #5

Yes, my hospital only keeps shiny AK-47's and grenades... EX500rider Nov 2023 #41

Well T_A Nov 2023 #43

An interesting note about your story, Voltaire2: NCIndie Nov 2023 #11

Well the NYT's WMD Attack-Iraq horseshit was pretty awful Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #14

The NYT has had some low points, and you have illustrated two of their very worst. NCIndie Nov 2023 #16

+1 krawhitham Nov 2023 #30

"a lot of DUers are infuriated it is not the liberal mouthpiece they so desperately desire" ecstatic Nov 2023 #44

My perception is that they make every effort to remain as objective as possible. NCIndie Nov 2023 #45

Compelling, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. CincyDem Nov 2023 #19

A good question. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #23

Speaking of inthewind21 Nov 2023 #25

Do you believe sarisataka Nov 2023 #29

Ah inthewind21 Nov 2023 #37

More than 5,000 sarisataka Nov 2023 #39

It all starts with a hypothesis. CincyDem Nov 2023 #32

The IDF could walk in sarisataka Nov 2023 #27

yes of course, some people would deny the obvious Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #28

DURec leftstreet Nov 2023 #24

If I was using a bunker under Al-Shifa as a C&C center, and the IDF was closing in maxsolomon Nov 2023 #34

Are we/they saying that John Kirby and Jake Sullivan are lying? LauraInLA Nov 2023 #40

Human Rights Watch T_A Nov 2023 #42