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In reply to the discussion: Why the US didn't kill 12,000 civilians in 6 weeks of combat in Iraq [View all]Eugene
(61,974 posts)54. A different comparison may fit, the US bombardment of Mosul in the war against ISIS.
Decades of U.S. war crimes led to what Israel is doing in Gaza (Salon)
https://news.yahoo.com/decades-u-war-crimes-led-110001737.html
The most devastating campaign the U.S. military has waged in recent years dropped over 100,000 bombs and missiles on Mosul in Iraq, Raqqa in Syria and other areas occupied by ISIS or Daesh. An Iraqi Kurdish intelligence report estimated that more than 40,000 civilians were killed in Mosul, while Raqqa was even more thoroughly destroyed.
The shelling of Raqqa was the heaviest U.S. artillery bombardment since the Vietnam War, yet it was barely reported in the U.S. corporate media. A recent New York Times article about the traumatic brain injuries and PTSD suffered by U.S. artillerymen operating 155mm howitzers, which each fired up to 10,000 shells into Raqqa, was appropriately titled "A Secret War, Strange New Wounds and Silence from the Pentagon."
Shrouding such mass death and destruction in secrecy is a remarkable achievement. When British playwright Harold Pinter was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2005, in the midst of the Iraq war, he titled his acceptance speech Art, Truth and Politics, and used it to shine a light on this diabolical aspect of U.S. war-making.
The shelling of Raqqa was the heaviest U.S. artillery bombardment since the Vietnam War, yet it was barely reported in the U.S. corporate media. A recent New York Times article about the traumatic brain injuries and PTSD suffered by U.S. artillerymen operating 155mm howitzers, which each fired up to 10,000 shells into Raqqa, was appropriately titled "A Secret War, Strange New Wounds and Silence from the Pentagon."
Shrouding such mass death and destruction in secrecy is a remarkable achievement. When British playwright Harold Pinter was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2005, in the midst of the Iraq war, he titled his acceptance speech Art, Truth and Politics, and used it to shine a light on this diabolical aspect of U.S. war-making.
https://news.yahoo.com/decades-u-war-crimes-led-110001737.html
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Why the US didn't kill 12,000 civilians in 6 weeks of combat in Iraq [View all]
WarGamer
Nov 2023
OP
When people emphasize the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I always want to remind
Martin68
Nov 2023
#42
Carthage was unique because Rome literally "erased" an entire civilization and culture.
WarGamer
Nov 2023
#16
How it anti-semitic when there are multiple quotes in the last two months
Big Blue Marble
Nov 2023
#28
"The suggestion that Israel is trying to "erase" Palestinians is antisemitic." How can it be antisemitic if
Martin68
Nov 2023
#44
But at this point... I don't see the IDF making even the most basic threat assessments and BDA...
WarGamer
Nov 2023
#9
Maybe Israel will let the UN into GAZA to make an accurate reporting of the numbers...
WarGamer
Nov 2023
#24
Anyone watching this horror knows that the deaths are being undercounted.
Big Blue Marble
Nov 2023
#31
We also don't know how true that 12,000 number is, most likely highly inflated.
EX500rider
Nov 2023
#56
I put it to you, WarGamer, that your 6-week debate point is meaningless. So what? As a gamer you appear
Martin68
Nov 2023
#48
Ex500, if we assume the proportion of Hamas fighters to the civilian population is one percent, then a
Martin68
Nov 2023
#50
Why would it be proportionate when Hamas is the actual target of the airstrikes?
EX500rider
Nov 2023
#55
I fear your math and your knowledge of real world urban warfare are sadly lacking. You quoted the 12,000
Martin68
Nov 2023
#91
But the bombings are not eliminating Hamas so, as undesirable as it is, ground troops...
brush
Nov 2023
#40
Let me know when there's criminal proceedings concerning Hamas and they're recent activities.
paleotn
Nov 2023
#49
They're responsible for heinous crimes of late, but many here don't seem to be in much of a twist about it
paleotn
Nov 2023
#71
There's not anywhere NEAR the level of freak out if Hamas or Hezbollah do something particularly egregious.
paleotn
Nov 2023
#75
Many more years of war... sectarian violence and civil war... add in terrorism.
WarGamer
Nov 2023
#70