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EX500rider

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93. You have your opinion, I have mine

Reply to Martin68 (Reply #91)

Mon Nov 20, 2023, 12:06 PM

Nov 2023

But since there are zero trustworthy figures on casualties (unless you trust Hamas) all anyone has is a guess.

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Why the US didn't kill 12,000 civilians in 6 weeks of combat in Iraq [View all] WarGamer Nov 2023 OP

That is because a hell of a lot more were killed JohnSJ Nov 2023 #1

You "missed" the in 6 weeks part WarGamer Nov 2023 #2

BS. Shock and awe killed a hell of a lot of people JohnSJ Nov 2023 #3

lol... You didn't even read my post. WarGamer Nov 2023 #4

Comparing Israel to "medieval" sounds bad. yardwork Nov 2023 #11

When people emphasize the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I always want to remind Martin68 Nov 2023 #42

GD Hamas is "Medieval". Cha Nov 2023 #46

Of course... a few thousand killed AND wounded. Nothing like GAZA. WarGamer Nov 2023 #6

Hamas decided to concentrate all its murderers TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #57

Gaza is a small heavily populated area Old Crank Nov 2023 #76

Well Mountainguy Nov 2023 #81

True, but Old Crank Nov 2023 #90

Comparisons of Israel to "medieval" sounds bad. yardwork Nov 2023 #5

I was just using the vernacular... of course there are more modern examples. WarGamer Nov 2023 #8

That happened in the World Wars, too. yardwork Nov 2023 #12

Carthage was unique because Rome literally "erased" an entire civilization and culture. WarGamer Nov 2023 #16

The suggestion that Israel is trying to "erase" Palestinians is antisemitic. yardwork Nov 2023 #18

nonsense... WarGamer Nov 2023 #20

It's the specific words and phrases that make something antisemitic. yardwork Nov 2023 #32

Rec TY Cha Nov 2023 #51

How it anti-semitic when there are multiple quotes in the last two months Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #28

Netanyahu and his cabinet say stupid things all the time. yardwork Nov 2023 #33

I am married to a Jew. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #45

"The suggestion that Israel is trying to "erase" Palestinians is antisemitic." How can it be antisemitic if Martin68 Nov 2023 #44

I agree with the OP. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #25

Hmmmm.... some of that hasn't been proven to be true. yardwork Nov 2023 #35

How naive can you be or just in denial. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #43

It's performative melodrama at this point BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #67

Iraqi forces generally did not sarisataka Nov 2023 #7

But at this point... I don't see the IDF making even the most basic threat assessments and BDA... WarGamer Nov 2023 #9

You have me at a disadvantage sarisataka Nov 2023 #22

Maybe Israel will let the UN into GAZA to make an accurate reporting of the numbers... WarGamer Nov 2023 #24

Anyone watching this horror knows that the deaths are being undercounted. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #31

The UN needs to be allowed in, under a cease fire. WarGamer Nov 2023 #34

It's wise to be skeptical of combatants during wartime. yardwork Nov 2023 #36

We also don't know how true that 12,000 number is, most likely highly inflated. EX500rider Nov 2023 #56

There were 650k excess deaths in Iraq. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #10

you also missed the "in 6 weeks part" WarGamer Nov 2023 #13

I put it to you, WarGamer, that your 6-week debate point is meaningless. So what? As a gamer you appear Martin68 Nov 2023 #48

I can see that we're not going to understand each other. Have a great day! WarGamer Nov 2023 #59

Taking the easy way out? See you in the funny papers! Martin68 Nov 2023 #92

The war against Iraq was tragic and bad for US security. David__77 Nov 2023 #14

thanks, I wish more would read and understand the post. WarGamer Nov 2023 #17

12,000 civilians? EX500rider Nov 2023 #15

And let's not forget we are going off of numbers of dead supplied by Hamas ! GuppyGal Nov 2023 #23

Ex500, if we assume the proportion of Hamas fighters to the civilian population is one percent, then a Martin68 Nov 2023 #50

Why would it be proportionate when Hamas is the actual target of the airstrikes? EX500rider Nov 2023 #55

I fear your math and your knowledge of real world urban warfare are sadly lacking. You quoted the 12,000 Martin68 Nov 2023 #91

You have your opinion, I have mine EX500rider Nov 2023 #93

So inthewind21 Nov 2023 #94

Hard to ignore that weeks of continuos bombings into civilian housing... brush Nov 2023 #19

thanks for commenting. WarGamer Nov 2023 #21

It is a Catch-22 sarisataka Nov 2023 #29

And, there's bizarre speculation that Israel is faking the evidence. yardwork Nov 2023 #37

But the bombings are not eliminating Hamas so, as undesirable as it is, ground troops... brush Nov 2023 #40

No, we killed over 100,000 Iraqis. bif Nov 2023 #26

agreed... 100% WarGamer Nov 2023 #27

It's one hell of a poor weak ass excuse do to a whatabout The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #39

I'm not an apologist for ANY of the above wars of aggression. None. WarGamer Nov 2023 #41

Informative military assessment. Basic LA Nov 2023 #30

Noticed that bebe never mentioned the hostages The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #38

Let me know when there's criminal proceedings concerning Hamas and they're recent activities. paleotn Nov 2023 #49

Let's just forget about the collective punishment The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #60

Hamas's leadership doesn't live in Gaza. paleotn Nov 2023 #61

So then what's this shit all about? The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #62

They're responsible for heinous crimes of late, but many here don't seem to be in much of a twist about it paleotn Nov 2023 #71

I didn't give them a pass. I don't give the IDF a pass either. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #72

There's not anywhere NEAR the level of freak out if Hamas or Hezbollah do something particularly egregious. paleotn Nov 2023 #75

What the IDF and bebe is doing starts with an G. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #80

That's not apples to oranges paleotn Nov 2023 #47

Didn't we ? DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #52

The Iraq Body Count counts 6000 Iraqi civilian deaths in the "invasion phase" WarGamer Nov 2023 #63

So how did it get up to 1 million ? DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #69

Many more years of war... sectarian violence and civil war... add in terrorism. WarGamer Nov 2023 #70

I think we probably did nt doc03 Nov 2023 #53

A different comparison may fit, the US bombardment of Mosul in the war against ISIS. Eugene Nov 2023 #54

More uninformed anti-Israeli propaganda TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #58

Too bad we ended up killing like 500,000 Iraqi civilians, though Oneironaut Nov 2023 #64

absolutely... hopefully Israel doesn't challenge that statistic. WarGamer Nov 2023 #65

Is that an excuse for this? The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #74

Why is there an assumption that the dead are Tomconroy Nov 2023 #66

Because Hamas said so. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #68

Why is there an assumption that they are terrorists? The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #73

Because Hamas is a terrorist group? EX500rider Nov 2023 #82

Your guess is as good as mine. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #83

Or since Hamas is reporting the numbers probably less IMO EX500rider Nov 2023 #85

Actually the UN reports the number, so there is that The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #86

Using numbers supplied by Hamas EX500rider Nov 2023 #87

And suppose it's 3000 or? Does that make you feel better? The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #88

Would less dead children make me feel better? EX500rider Nov 2023 #89

Iraq has 257 people/sq mile. Gaza has 117,650 people/sq mile elias7 Nov 2023 #77

2 million Gazans divided by 140 square miles 14,285 per square mile n/t Army Brat Nov 2023 #79

Ummmmmmm inthewind21 Nov 2023 #95

+10000000000000000000000000 GuppyGal Nov 2023 #96

Salon now estimates 2.4 million deaths in Iraq since the 2003 invasion. Swede Nov 2023 #78

40% of the deaths in Palestine have been children. I think the Palestinian people have more than paid for Autumn Nov 2023 #84