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In reply to the discussion: Did Anonymous really Save-the-Vote in Ohio? .... REALLY??? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)14. Silliness
Did Anonymous really Save-the-Vote in Ohio? .... REALLY???
I don't care.
In the grand scheme of things, whether or not Anonymous stepped in at the last minute and prevented Rove and his minions from Hacking-the-Vote doesn't really matter.
Despite the internecine battles currently revolving around this issue on DU,
we will NEVER really know whether or not Anonymous Saved-the-Vote in Ohio,
and THAT is of the utmost importance.
We do NOT have the means to determine whether the vote was hacked or unhacked!
I don't care.
In the grand scheme of things, whether or not Anonymous stepped in at the last minute and prevented Rove and his minions from Hacking-the-Vote doesn't really matter.
Despite the internecine battles currently revolving around this issue on DU,
we will NEVER really know whether or not Anonymous Saved-the-Vote in Ohio,
and THAT is of the utmost importance.
We do NOT have the means to determine whether the vote was hacked or unhacked!
It doesn't matter. There is no such thing as evidence and science. What really matters is creating the impression that we're just as loony as the RW when it comes to believing unsubstantiated claims.
Score!
On edit:
So might this have really been the reason for Karl Roves shock on election night? Under the guise of sophisticated get out the vote operation, had Rove and the Republican Party actually built up a massive system to steal the Ohio election, just like in 2004, only to have it thwarted at the last minute by a group of computer hackers?
If this is true, then the implications are enormous and could take down the entire Republican Party and finally wake Americans up to the fact that our privatized vote system is shockingly flawed and insecure.
In their press release, Anonymous concludes, We have a warning for Karl sail again at your own peril. We may just put all the evidence into a tidy little package and give it to a painfully bored nemesis hanging out in a certain embassy in London.
In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous. But given Karl Roves history with elections in Ohio and the known vulnerabilities with our corporate owned electronic voting machines, there may be both smoke and fire with these election night allegations.
Thats why its vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history.
If this is true, then the implications are enormous and could take down the entire Republican Party and finally wake Americans up to the fact that our privatized vote system is shockingly flawed and insecure.
In their press release, Anonymous concludes, We have a warning for Karl sail again at your own peril. We may just put all the evidence into a tidy little package and give it to a painfully bored nemesis hanging out in a certain embassy in London.
In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous. But given Karl Roves history with elections in Ohio and the known vulnerabilities with our corporate owned electronic voting machines, there may be both smoke and fire with these election night allegations.
Thats why its vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history.
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Odd many respond to this post without realizing that ANON claims to determine Rove is doing it
Coyotl
Nov 2012
#45
Never mind Anon. You have made a stunning statement, ie, that we CAN verify the vote.
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#59
So we could have verified the votes in 2000 and 2004 after all? I know this was
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#54
The same way your so-called Anon verified that Rove was going to hack, of course
Coyotl
Nov 2012
#89
Yes they are called exit polls and they indicate vote tampering in 2004
Exultant Democracy
Nov 2012
#131
Anonymous is also keeping all the wild tigers off of my street in suburban Virginia.
FSogol
Nov 2012
#16
Some guy is taking them away in a lifeboat--he must be a member of the Anon Club!
MADem
Nov 2012
#151
Actually, I don't believe that Flying Saucers and Aliens represent a credible threat.
bvar22
Nov 2012
#67
So you're okay with easily hackable voting machines? Or are you saying you totally trust
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#92
Paper ballots are NOT easily lost and should be subjected to the chain of custody requirements
byeya
Nov 2012
#19
This thread was started to point out that our voting results are not verifiable and transparent
byeya
Nov 2012
#22
Yes I am afraid that you are right about the highjacking. I think we all remember Waukasha(sp?)
byeya
Nov 2012
#26
and the bags came back overstuffed, ripped, and with the wrong numbers
RepublicansRZombies
Nov 2012
#41
Thanks for the reminder of how truly blatant and horrible the performance of "our" officials
byeya
Nov 2012
#47
Imagine if Kathy Nickolaus was a Dem doing that to the Republican party...
RepublicansRZombies
Nov 2012
#65
And we sell them votibng machines that they don't know how to program without our right-wing corps
Coyotl
Nov 2012
#51
Excellent points, but why do some DU posters want to shut off all discussion on this topic? nt.
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#35
It's amazing that stating that our elections are unverifiable is open to debate.
bleever
Nov 2012
#44
So, you are saying that voting machines, own and programed by admitted Republicans, on the record
RC
Nov 2012
#70
Well, I will never declare anyone who is telling the truth, no matter how inconvenient, dead to me.
sabrina 1
Nov 2012
#90
yeah, we don't know--which SHOULD scare everyone into LOUDLY demanding action
librechik
Nov 2012
#61
Because the machine keeps track of how many votes were cast for each candidate
JohnnyRingo
Nov 2012
#106
No one hand counts the paper after the election either. The paper is never counted.
truckin
Nov 2012
#134
Your false accusation is as disingenuous and diversionary as every other post you have made here.
bvar22
Nov 2012
#149
"the general notion of unnamed people making unproven and unsupported allegations of great crimes"
bvar22
Nov 2012
#109
The good that the Anon letter did was to stimulate discussion about why the USA has a more
byeya
Nov 2012
#112
Excellent post. It doesnt matter if Anon helped or not. Our election process is broken and needs
rhett o rick
Nov 2012
#113