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28. And the U.S. goes around the world telling others how to run elections...

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Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:38 PM

Nov 2012

What a joke!

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Did Anonymous really Save-the-Vote in Ohio? .... REALLY??? [View all] bvar22 Nov 2012 OP

We DO have the means to determine whether the vote is hacked Coyotl Nov 2012 #1

We do? Care to explain it? xfundy Nov 2012 #2

In Ohio we do. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #69

We do? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #3

Do you have a proprietary interest in ESS? bvar22 Nov 2012 #4

The difference between Vegas slots and Electronic Voting Machines (pic) FreeBC Nov 2012 #58

Great Comparison! Pbs1914 Nov 2012 #63

Thank You. bvar22 Nov 2012 #68

Outstanding graphic. reusrename Nov 2012 #107

How would we do this? ElboRuum Nov 2012 #29

You want facts? EOTE Nov 2012 #34

Yeah, I kinda do want some facts. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #42

Here are some first hand facts on electronic voting in Ohio JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #72

Interesting explanation. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #99

Unfortunately, that's normally seen as a state's rights issue. randome Nov 2012 #100

Unfortunately, he's also wrong. reusrename Nov 2012 #108

Actually... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #122

I haven't seen any legitimate criticism. reusrename Nov 2012 #125

Funny... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #126

This is a progression that the prophet Orwell spoke of. reusrename Nov 2012 #133

your reasoning? heaven05 Nov 2012 #38

Odd many respond to this post without realizing that ANON claims to determine Rove is doing it Coyotl Nov 2012 #45

Never mind Anon. You have made a stunning statement, ie, that we CAN verify the vote. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #59

Never mind me, if Whoever/Anon made a stunning statement, ie, that they CAN ... Coyotl Nov 2012 #77

That is a Strawman. bvar22 Nov 2012 #62

If the Fake Anon video producers have given this more thought Coyotl Nov 2012 #81

#1 You REALLY should Google: "Strawman Logical Fallacy"... bvar22 Nov 2012 #94

When is feeding time over for these folks? reusrename Nov 2012 #110

So we could have verified the votes in 2000 and 2004 after all? I know this was sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #54

The same way your so-called Anon verified that Rove was going to hack, of course Coyotl Nov 2012 #89

I see you are trying to avoid answering my question. So I will ask it again. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #93

Anon are irrelevant. You said we could have verified the votes in 2000 sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #143

I wrote: Coyotl Nov 2012 #144

and yet Pbs1914 Nov 2012 #55

Yeah, but now we've got him talking to himself in public! reusrename Nov 2012 #111

Yes they are called exit polls and they indicate vote tampering in 2004 Exultant Democracy Nov 2012 #131

Yes. liberalmuse Nov 2012 #5

Anonymous is also keeping all the wild tigers off of my street in suburban Virginia. FSogol Nov 2012 #16

Pic Of The Moment: QUESTION: How Old Is The Earth? ProSense Nov 2012 #21

Some guy is taking them away in a lifeboat--he must be a member of the Anon Club! MADem Nov 2012 #151

Did you ever watch Independence Day? IT CAN HAPPEN!! randome Nov 2012 #17

Actually, I don't believe that Flying Saucers and Aliens represent a credible threat. bvar22 Nov 2012 #67

Here you go! randome Nov 2012 #73

We had better care if either of these things happened liberal N proud Nov 2012 #6

No. You missed the point. bvar22 Nov 2012 #7

. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #8

perfect response from you* RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #10

a response completely void of substance, bvar22 Nov 2012 #18

The needle on my sarcasm detector twitched... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #31

perfect response for illustrating who they are RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #32

Oops. bvar22 Nov 2012 #98

So you're okay with easily hackable voting machines? Or are you saying you totally trust sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #92

and now is the perfect time to unite with Republicans on this RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #9

Paper ballots are easily 'lost'. randome Nov 2012 #11

Paper Ballots are NOT "easily lost"... bvar22 Nov 2012 #13

Paper ballots are NOT easily lost and should be subjected to the chain of custody requirements byeya Nov 2012 #19

They've been 'lost', 'misplaced' and, in some cases, deliberately modified. randome Nov 2012 #39

Fine. Get Congress to mandate this across the country and I'm good with it. randome Nov 2012 #40

Thank You! bvar22 Nov 2012 #71

*Vomit* Spryguy Nov 2012 #123

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #12

Silliness ProSense Nov 2012 #14

Silliness? bvar22 Nov 2012 #23

Oh please, ProSense Nov 2012 #25

Ducking he issue agin. bvar22 Nov 2012 #76

How can you ever know if it was Anonymous or not? Coyotl Nov 2012 #48

"It wasn't Anonymous ... It was an unidentified person" starroute Nov 2012 #56

The point of the OP is.. bvar22 Nov 2012 #86

K&R forestpath Nov 2012 #52

No zappaman Nov 2012 #15

And let's keep starting new threads until there is one without a Coyotl Nov 2012 #50

No, let's just kick this one because some of us progressives actually like sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #103

K&R 99Forever Nov 2012 #20

This thread was started to point out that our voting results are not verifiable and transparent byeya Nov 2012 #22

Thank You. bvar22 Nov 2012 #24

Yes I am afraid that you are right about the highjacking. I think we all remember Waukasha(sp?) byeya Nov 2012 #26

and the bags came back overstuffed, ripped, and with the wrong numbers RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #41

Thanks for the reminder of how truly blatant and horrible the performance of "our" officials byeya Nov 2012 #47

Imagine if Kathy Nickolaus was a Dem doing that to the Republican party... RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #65

Exactly. Ban BBV and the point is mute. Vincardog Nov 2012 #27

And the U.S. goes around the world telling others how to run elections... polichick Nov 2012 #28

And we sell them votibng machines that they don't know how to program without our right-wing corps Coyotl Nov 2012 #51

Anonymous hacked Kroger snooper2 Nov 2012 #30

Been hoping someone would point this out. Thank you. K&R Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #33

Excellent points, but why do some DU posters want to shut off all discussion on this topic? nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #35

Too many here are self defined as Democrats, when they are actually DINO's. RC Nov 2012 #60

K&R stonecutter357 Nov 2012 #87

It's baffling isn't it? nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #146

+10000 heaven05 Nov 2012 #36

I cannot detect any lack of truth in what you posted. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #37

Here is what gets lost in the shuffle DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #43

+1 laundry_queen Nov 2012 #147

It's amazing that stating that our elections are unverifiable is open to debate. bleever Nov 2012 #44

I agree. Norrin Radd Nov 2012 #75

As a member of Anonymous, I am keeping America safe from velociraptors! backscatter712 Nov 2012 #46

We thank you for your service! randome Nov 2012 #49

The Machines in Ohio can be hacked without a trace UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #53

Good Video , " and that is realty" bahrbearian Nov 2012 #64

That machine is a Diebold Accutron TS from 2004. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #157

Anonymous would sell their mothers to the devil NightOwwl Nov 2012 #57

So, you are saying that voting machines, own and programed by admitted Republicans, on the record RC Nov 2012 #70

I didn't say any of that. NightOwwl Nov 2012 #85

Go back and read the OP. bvar22 Nov 2012 #91

Reposting here:Thom compares 2004 & 2012 elections: Rockyj Nov 2012 #127

Well, I will never declare anyone who is telling the truth, no matter how inconvenient, dead to me. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #90

yeah, we don't know--which SHOULD scare everyone into LOUDLY demanding action librechik Nov 2012 #61

We should demand that ProSense Nov 2012 #74

"Who save us in 2008? Was the 2010 election stolen?" bvar22 Nov 2012 #105

Ohio can indeed now certify the vote through an audit. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #66

Here ya go JR RobertEarl Nov 2012 #78

Ohio's Diebold machines are absolutely not on a computer network. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #96

You really have no clue? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #97

Yes, I agree that in '04 there was a problem. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #102

Thanks, JR RobertEarl Nov 2012 #135

As far as I can tell, the Diebold machines have no network access. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #141

Did you see this, JR? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #150

In 2004 there was no paper trail. We had to trust the machine's tally JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #153

But are they ever verified? Does anyone ever count the votes on the rolls and truckin Nov 2012 #79

Because the machine keeps track of how many votes were cast for each candidate JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #106

But no one counts the individual votes on the roll of paper to compare them truckin Nov 2012 #124

I guess that's true that no one hand counts each vote on election day JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #128

No one hand counts the paper after the election either. The paper is never counted. truckin Nov 2012 #134

That's not true. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #136

You count a randomly selected sample truckin Nov 2012 #142

? bvar22 Nov 2012 #82

Your unfounded fear of technology is clouding your view. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #148

Your false accusation is as disingenuous and diversionary as every other post you have made here. bvar22 Nov 2012 #149

The ballots are accessible to counting. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #158

More smoke and bullshit from you. bvar22 Nov 2012 #159

Haven't you ever seen the movie "Oceans Eleven"? JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #160

It does NOT take a Conspiracy Theorist... bvar22 Nov 2012 #162

It's not just one company that provides our machines. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #163

"With simple close circuit video feeds and mirrors in the boxes ... bvar22 Nov 2012 #164

Almost all of Ohio voted on punch cards in 2004. Coyotl Nov 2012 #145

Great post! Couldn't agree more. truckin Nov 2012 #80

Some of you missed the point of the OP LiberalLovinLug Nov 2012 #83

After over 11 years at DU, I have reached the conclusion that... bvar22 Nov 2012 #101

Hey, I used one upthread! reusrename Nov 2012 #116

Kick and Rec Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #84

Outstanding post, bvar22, in every way. Octafish Nov 2012 #88

K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #95

I would suggest taking a moment away from the specifics and consider Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #104

"the general notion of unnamed people making unproven and unsupported allegations of great crimes" bvar22 Nov 2012 #109

The good that the Anon letter did was to stimulate discussion about why the USA has a more byeya Nov 2012 #112

You know, if it would help get verifiable elections........ socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #115

Excellent post. It doesnt matter if Anon helped or not. Our election process is broken and needs rhett o rick Nov 2012 #113

K&R Z_I_Peevey Nov 2012 #114

Yep, I've been thinking the same thing myself......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #117

Great OP topic, need more like this. chknltl Nov 2012 #118

Since no Ohio voting machines are connected to the internet FogerRox Nov 2012 #119

+a million graham4anything Nov 2012 #152

This point cannot be emphasized enough eridani Nov 2012 #120

I like your take on this issue... GitRDun Nov 2012 #121

No E-Voting In Germany OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #129

Big Post. E-voting, HAVA and Germany RobertEarl Nov 2012 #137

You are most welcome. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #138

I believe that Ireland did the same thing. bvar22 Nov 2012 #140

I doubt Anonymous had anything to do with the vote Bradical79 Nov 2012 #130

I have to confess... krispos42 Nov 2012 #132

Welcome, brother! bvar22 Nov 2012 #139

it does matter, it matters very much arely staircase Nov 2012 #154

Don't you just love Conspiracy Theories Dems50State Nov 2012 #155

Gosh, bvar, could this mean that all this angst was caused by a simple psyops Zorra Nov 2012 #156

I agree that We on Du have no way of knowing Marrah_G Nov 2012 #161