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Beastly Boy

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Fri Feb 9, 2024, 09:53 AM Feb 9

I am perplexed, troubled, and yet unsurprised by all the vitriol being directed at Garland and Hur [View all]

over the Biden investigation report. Here we have a record of a thorough and exhaustive investigation examining serious allegations against a POTUS, leaving no stone unturned, no facts varnished, no details overlooked, no room for for doubt and completely exonerating POTUS of all the unfounded charges.

Isn't this the definition of "no one is above the law" and "justice being served"? Isn't this the reason why an AG is strictly bound by the laws that define the grounds for appointing a special counsel and an SC is strictly bound by the scope of the responsibilities he receives from an AG?

If Garland were to appoint, say, Hillary as SC and she were to come up with an identical report, she would no doubt be praised to high heaven for it, and so would Garland for choosing her.

Instead, every Garland basher across the political spectrum, each pushing their peculiar talking points that often conflict with each other, is lamenting Garland (more so than Hur, BTW) as an existential threat to democracy. And the grievances that are presented to justify the branding of Garland as a threat to democracy are often, upon closer examination, trivial, partisan, tendentious and antithetical to democratic principles themselves.

... What is going on here???

I see neither the purpose nor the pleasure in portraying Garland as a comic strip villain. Doing so undermines the authority of the Office of the US Attorney General and, perhaps ironically, is contrary to the fundamentals of democratic principles of our government.

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Okay. Scrivener7 Feb 9 #1
Hur did a political hack job on Biden. Going after his age? His memory? LeftInTX Feb 9 #2
Thank you for saying it for me Ferrets are Cool Feb 9 #7
In bad taste, gab13by13 Feb 9 #14
Well, my brain hasn't been working too well because I haven't slept at all last night. LeftInTX Feb 9 #20
Exactly what Andrew Weissmann said. gab13by13 Feb 9 #26
It was a clear violation of department norms and regulations redqueen Feb 9 #32
I don't understand why either. Demsrule86 Feb 9 #56
Isn't what you say Hur should have done exactly the same as what Hur has done? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #42
No, when charges are not filed that is what you say...you don't need to write a book and Demsrule86 Feb 9 #58
Spot On yankee87 Feb 9 #84
Actually, it is the investigation that determines whether the charges are filed or not. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #158
I've defended Garland in the past but... Bibbers Feb 9 #229
It certainly took Dr. Jill's breath away. soldierant Feb 12 #240
This is what I responded to: Beastly Boy Feb 9 #223
Funny how you leave out what else Hur did Doc Sportello Feb 9 #65
This may sound like a downer, but Beastly Boy Feb 9 #224
This may sound like reality Doc Sportello Feb 9 #230
Its not that simple. ShazzieB Feb 9 #212
Yes, but without right wing editorializing about Biden's so-called memory lapses. brush Feb 9 #214
But we weaponized the DOJ according to them. Arthur_Frain Feb 9 #67
Claudia The Bitch Tenney BlueKota Feb 9 #228
I am not usually angry either. And those who know me, understand I have supported Garland and Demsrule86 Feb 9 #35
Actually, there is excellent logic, especially in retrospect behind appointing a Trumpster Beastly Boy Feb 9 #47
Biden was not exonerrated...he was attacked with bullshit that helps Trump...again, I don't Demsrule86 Feb 9 #64
If he wasn't exonerated, was Biden charged? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #163
He was purposely made to look weak and foolish. tavernier Feb 9 #169
The way Hur explains it, it was a not so sly hit job to prove absence of malicious intent on Biden's part. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #177
The problem is JustAnotherGen Feb 9 #188
You are faulting Hur on ethical grounds, not legal ones. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #194
I'm where you're at MorbidButterflyTat Feb 9 #160
Finding no grounds for any charges is a political hack job? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #36
What does my good buddy Joe (not Biden) think? gab13by13 Feb 9 #82
Slanderous charges of being "painfully slow?" vanlassie Feb 9 #153
+1 (except the part about not usually being mad.) yardwork Feb 9 #123
Unpopular question: Polybius Feb 10 #236
Indeed. Many people say it is a beautiful and perfect report dalton99a Feb 9 #3
Big strong men with tears in their eyes are saying "sir" when they read it . . . hatrack Feb 9 #4
+1. "Sir, please remind me strongly that you have the world's greatest memory" dalton99a Feb 9 #8
The ones from Meal Team 6 who killed Obama Biladen? limbicnuminousity Feb 9 #193
Thank you for giving me a much-needed laugh! yardwork Feb 9 #125
Wow - am I on DU? NewHendoLib Feb 9 #5
Can I ask where you get your news? gab13by13 Feb 9 #22
I get my news here. I just spend less time and have less to post NewHendoLib Feb 9 #24
Stephanie Miller wryter2000 Feb 9 #132
Are you agreeing with the OP or the entire REST Of DU that is horrified by this unethical, immoral hlthe2b Feb 9 #25
of course I don't - hence my main line of wondering if this is DU NewHendoLib Feb 9 #29
The OP is ONE poster... 'Curious what other positions you've noted lately that seem out of place... hlthe2b Feb 9 #34
Yes, primarily that. But the world in general just seems like it is coming apart at the seams NewHendoLib Feb 9 #37
I can fully appreciate what you are saying... hlthe2b Feb 9 #43
Only so many hours in the day - NewHendoLib Feb 9 #44
I miess you! Cha Feb 9 #201
The entire rest of DU? brooklynite Feb 9 #48
I refrained from name-checking you and your broken record. (Are you going to go after Al Franken again hlthe2b Feb 9 #51
Well said obamanut2012 Feb 9 #62
Nah, he's going to be making more predictions about the primaries Doc Sportello Feb 9 #69
I haven't expressed an opinion at all. brooklynite Feb 9 #70
ROFL hlthe2b Feb 9 #71
brooklynite seems to want to burnish his non-radical credentials quite often BootinUp Feb 9 #77
Really? SocialDemocrat61 Feb 9 #91
This feels like a sitcom sometimes. yardwork Feb 9 #140
I don't deny that I engaged in BootinUp Feb 9 #141
I appreciated it, too! yardwork Feb 9 #142
Don't worry, I am sure the 'rest of DU' did not include you and some others as well. Demsrule86 Feb 9 #79
Spend more time...we need you here to combat those who would defend this attack on Biden. Demsrule86 Feb 9 #39
. NewHendoLib Feb 9 #41
That is adorable...but I mean what I said! Demsrule86 Feb 9 #80
Ditto here. For different reasons, perhaps Beastly Boy Feb 9 #50
I see it exactly the opposite way. yardwork Feb 9 #127
there are always apologists Skittles Feb 10 #234
You don't even mention Hur's political axe to grind. Wow. BootinUp Feb 9 #6
Let's mention it, then Beastly Boy Feb 9 #53
These are dangerous times. We have people in positions BootinUp Feb 9 #57
That should give you comfort in seeing no sighns of Garland not following the fucking rules of his job. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #61
No, lets focus on Hur. the DOJ is supposed to make an effort to appear politically neutral, True of False? BootinUp Feb 9 #68
The answer is yes and yes. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #165
No, his uncharitable personal digs aimed at Pres. Biden sprinkleeninow Feb 9 #189
The goal of this report and its timing DUgosh Feb 9 #9
The headlines I am reading gab13by13 Feb 9 #10
Instead of headlines, I am reading the Code of Federal Regulations Beastly Boy Feb 9 #60
Sublime satire. nt LexVegas Feb 9 #11
Only She Would Not Produce That Report, Sir The Magistrate Feb 9 #12
The editorial commentaries, objectionable as they are, change nothing of the end result, Beastly Boy Feb 9 #63
They Give An Official Color To A Line Sure To Feature In The Coming Campaign The Magistrate Feb 9 #75
Comey's insinuation that Hillary was crooked and needed an investigation tipped the scales Arazi Feb 9 #139
There were no senility/dementia claims in the report. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #168
I'm not. The only thing that surprises me is that it's taken this long for eyes to open. That report was the Autumn Feb 9 #13
You are right Autumn, and I was wrong. Demsrule86 Feb 9 #46
I posted that and figured when I got home I would have a message in my inbox. This is not the one I was expecting. Autumn Feb 9 #148
Would the report recommending charges against Biden not be more disgraceful? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #66
He took two or three years so. Clearly, he was looking for charges. Pence was exonerated with Demsrule86 Feb 9 #94
"Slander" has a specific meaning in law. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #176
Justice? Since when is a political hack job justice? Autumn Feb 9 #149
Define "political hack job" in legal terms, Beastly Boy Feb 9 #172
Try selling that justice BS to Harris and Biden. Pretty sure with their statements they don't see it as justice Autumn Feb 9 #174
That's your legal definition of "political hack job"? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #180
Why on earth would you think that my response has any type of definition in it? Autumn Feb 9 #182
Is that how you evaluate a serious and consequential action vanlassie Feb 9 #157
No, this is how I evaluate the definition of "disgrace". Beastly Boy Feb 9 #171
Are you deliberately ignoring the part vanlassie Feb 9 #184
I sincerely do not know how ANY DUer could see this--actually read the report or at least through, unbiased hlthe2b Feb 9 #15
I read the report, at least the parts of it that are currently making the news. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #73
Are you kidding? You think saying Biden can't remember shit and willfully took the documents Demsrule86 Feb 9 #105
In the context of the report, no, it is not damaging. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #133
He's a very weak man. nt GuppyGal Feb 9 #16
I wouldn't bet on him winning a boxing match against Tyson either. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #74
cool story bro Blues Heron Feb 9 #17
You're right, Merrick deserves respect for bending over backwards really far so as not to appear biased. sop Feb 9 #18
Right so he hired a Trumper guy who was actually appointed in Trump's administration by Demsrule86 Feb 9 #54
And the guy he hired, Trump appointment notwithstanding, rendered a fair decision. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #76
No he did not...it took years and he used a loaded term 'willfully'. Next, he attacked him with Demsrule86 Feb 9 #108
The terms he used notwithstandidn, do you think finding no criminal wrongdoing on Biden's part Beastly Boy Feb 9 #126
He went well beyond that, though.... Happy Hoosier Feb 9 #146
This MustLoveBeagles Feb 9 #150
Garland did exactly what he was supposed to do, agingdem Feb 9 #72
Ever hear of the phrase "Just the facts, ma'am"? LuckyCharms Feb 9 #19
In this case, their choice of being pissed at to such extent, is rather questionable. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #78
You're going to have to dumb that down for me. LuckyCharms Feb 9 #81
And invoking his son's death? MorbidButterflyTat Feb 9 #166
No need to argue. Lunabell Feb 9 #131
I am perplexed and troubled that you don't see what this Trumper attempted to do. Demsrule86 Feb 9 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Feb 9 #23
Hopefully Garland will have a talk with Hur, gab13by13 Feb 9 #27
I doubt he will. How is that even helpful anyway? I gave Garland the benefit of the doubt. Even Demsrule86 Feb 9 #28
A lawyer explains: muriel_volestrangler Feb 9 #30
It's not like Garland didn't have clue what was coming. gab13by13 Feb 9 #31
Oh, I suspect Garland had a very good idea whhat was coming. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #83
No, Hur just gave them a new and more lurid story to flog ms liberty Feb 9 #217
Well, my argument resembles yours, only in reverse. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #225
"Ben" Hur is supposed to decide if prosecution is needed or not. GreenWave Feb 9 #33
So Hur decided that the prosecution was not needed. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #85
It is far from the singular. GreenWave Feb 9 #124
This is not surprising. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #128
Was this a hit and run? I note you are not responding to your fellow Duer's questions/comments... hlthe2b Feb 9 #38
Pay attention to the thread. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #87
Hardly. At the point I posted this you had not reponded even once to anyone. hlthe2b Feb 9 #98
At the point you posted. Which is not the case now, that I responded to your post in due time Beastly Boy Feb 9 #103
I most certainly am and THIS is what I say to you: hlthe2b Feb 9 #107
Here is what YOUR LIKE-MINDED "friends" want to do with the "ammo" from this report you so love: hlthe2b Feb 9 #112
And shit like this never happened before the report came out, right? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #119
No It has not. This gave them the ammo, just like the COMEY press conference became the hlthe2b Feb 9 #120
You've got to be kidding. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #122
It gave them what they need to do what I just provided you evidence of. Not done previous. hlthe2b Feb 9 #129
You appear to concede that the right wingers never needed an excuse to attack biden, and at the same time Beastly Boy Feb 9 #159
Your feigned cluelessness on this is ridiculous. hlthe2b Feb 9 #161
Complete absence of the consequences that you insist occurred because of the report are impossible to feign. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #170
I note that EVERYONE on this thread has been very civil/cordial in their vehement disagreement with hlthe2b Feb 9 #173
I offer Hur's report in its entirety and Hur's statements in the context of his report. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #178
I'm sure your reverence for Hur and his report will be welcomed at Breitbart or other RW forums. hlthe2b Feb 9 #179
I disagree... Think. Again. Feb 9 #40
It is not appropriate. So is focusing on appearances rather than the substance of the report. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #88
But that is what the media is doing edhopper Feb 9 #95
The substance of the report is... Think. Again. Feb 9 #104
Overlooking the substance of Hur's report is a choice. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #154
The substance of the report... Think. Again. Feb 9 #156
An expectation of a crime not being committed is not the guiding principle Beastly Boy Feb 9 #167
Wow. Think. Again. Feb 9 #221
I dont get why Garland has all these doc03 Feb 9 #45
None of which addresses the substance of the report. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #90
What is going on here is this maxrandb Feb 9 #49
Is Jack Smith a Retrumplican? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #92
I am glad you bring up Jack Smith maxrandb Feb 9 #106
meanwhile the traitor still walks amongst us almost 4 years after his crimes samsingh Feb 9 #52
So the issues having to do with the due process of law exclusive to the courts Beastly Boy Feb 9 #93
Sorry. I know a lot of Democrats want Garland to be the poster child for McConnell's obstructionism. lees1975 Feb 9 #55
This is not what I am testy about. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #97
What Hur did was wrong Jarqui Feb 9 #59
Finding no grounds in accusations against Biden is wrong? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #100
That is not what I was saying or he was saying Jarqui Feb 9 #102
That's a very free-form of paraphrase. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #111
Nonsense Jarqui Feb 9 #134
Now do the worst quotes awesomerwb1 Feb 9 #147
388 page report Jarqui Feb 10 #233
Hillary was exonerated too...but attacked in much the same way, and it cost us the election. Demsrule86 Feb 9 #109
Don't get me started on reasons Hillary lost the elections. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #121
Now I'm worried about your memory! You believe Comey's announcement on the email investigation hlthe2b Feb 9 #136
I disagree. Hardly a shock to either of us I am sure. Celerity Feb 9 #86
Not bringing charges is not the same as exonerated. Hur found President Biden "willfully retained and disclosed kelly1mm Feb 9 #89
Exonerated of criminal wrongdoing. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #101
With even that Hur couldn't help but twist the knife. Part of the rational kelly1mm Feb 9 #155
Here's what I emailed my local radio wingnut talk show UTUSN Feb 9 #96
We're buying into the right-wing narrative on the report. TwilightZone Feb 9 #99
The report contained a gratuitous suggestion that Biden's memory is bad, Ocelot II Feb 9 #110
A single paragraph in a 300+ page report. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #114
Yup. If everybody would just keep repeating that *the report found no crime* Ocelot II Feb 9 #115
Then why appoint a special counsel? gab13by13 Feb 9 #204
It isn't a mere "mention" sans consequences, Ocelet II. It was quite clearly intentional, leading to: hlthe2b Feb 9 #118
That's the point. They pounced on that single comment, Ocelot II Feb 9 #144
I'll take Biden's position and move on. From Bigtree's post, without attribution. sinkingfeeling Feb 9 #113
You (or rather Bigtree) put your finger on what gets me so pissed. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #116
Garland can't do a damn thing at this point. This guy should never have been appointed. Demsrule86 Feb 9 #117
Are you perplexed about the attacks against Hur? wryter2000 Feb 9 #130
I'm perplexed by your post. There was no reason to stray beyond the decision not to bring Vinca Feb 9 #135
Understandable, you have been a Garland cheer leader since he was appointed, is that not true. republianmushroom Feb 9 #137
removed by poster republianmushroom Feb 9 #138
If there are no charges being brought the report should not oldmanlynn Feb 9 #143
On the contrary. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #190
Hur is an unprofessional goober. Happy Hoosier Feb 9 #145
Have you read anything in Hur's report that relates to your rant? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #186
Then you would be wrong. Happy Hoosier Feb 9 #203
None of tis is gratuitous, let alone deliberately malicious. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #215
Glad you're happy with it senseandsensibility Feb 9 #151
I agree that Hillary would have been more diplomatic with her accounts of the investigation, but Beastly Boy Feb 9 #185
I am perplexed, troubled, and surprised at your surprise at the outrage niyad Feb 9 #152
Yeah MorbidButterflyTat Feb 9 #162
Easy. Barr's conclusion on Mueller's report. Durham's report on Trump's Russia involvement. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #183
So you're saying the Hur report is as bad as Barr's spin on Mueller? muriel_volestrangler Feb 9 #199
No, I am meeting a challenge. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #205
You didn't say anything about "far more closely" muriel_volestrangler Feb 9 #206
Oh please... get serious! Beastly Boy Feb 9 #216
Political hit piece KYBlue Feb 9 #164
Any references from the report about what you are talking about, or how they resemble Fox News or Breitbart? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #181
It's the spin JustAnotherGen Feb 9 #191
My point exactly. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #197
Seems Pretty Silly ProfessorGAC Feb 9 #175
Hur's report lacked the professional decorum JustAnotherGen Feb 9 #187
I happen to agree with Harris' retrospective judgement. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #192
Lack of integrity dpibel Feb 9 #219
My advice... get over yourself. XRubicon Feb 9 #195
Thank you. I will try my best. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #198
No. Just look at the whole thread from arms length. XRubicon Feb 9 #202
Ok. How does any pattern create in me an obligation to get over myself? Beastly Boy Feb 9 #207
LOL. XRubicon Feb 9 #209
I thought you would get a kick out of this one! Beastly Boy Feb 9 #218
Your user name is great XRubicon Feb 9 #231
No wrong doing due to being too old and out of it to TheKentuckian Feb 9 #196
That, if you read the report, is by far the least of the reasons why Hur didn't press charges. Beastly Boy Feb 9 #200
It was media catnip Sympthsical Feb 9 #208
Based on their statements, Biden and Harris weren't pleased. Gore1FL Feb 9 #210
Respectfully, I've defended Merrick Garland Joinfortmill Feb 9 #211
WWRD? (What would repugnantcans do?) Conjuay Feb 9 #213
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 9 #220
So, you're "perplexed" and "troubled" that some of us are upset about an ageist, unprofessional, unethical hit job? Goodheart Feb 9 #222
When some of the most astute legal minds in the country... GiqueCee Feb 9 #226
Why is Garland responsible TexasDem69 Feb 9 #227
'Confidential' in name only: Merrick Garland's delicate decision to release the Hur report LetMyPeopleVote Feb 9 #232
a reference to the death of Biden's son was included? Skittles Feb 10 #235
Well, you decide Beastly Boy Feb 12 #239
Did you get your answer Beastly Boy ? republianmushroom Feb 12 #237
No, but you did. Beastly Boy Feb 12 #238
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