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Ocelot II

(126,688 posts)
37. Yes, we accept what we want to believe.
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 01:33 PM
Feb 2024

The theory proposed by Luttig, Tribe, et al. - that 14/3 is self-executing - was persuasive as a theory, and the scholars loved it because they thought it would appeal to the originalists. The problem that I always saw with it is that there was no mechanism in 14/3 itself or in any of its subsequent applications that explained how it could be applied in a national election. Once lawsuits were filed in different states with differing election laws I became pretty sure that Anderson would a loser at SCOTUS - not because a majority of the justices are conservative but because there was no way to uphold it without throwing yet another very large spanner in the works of a national election where there were already plenty of spanners being thrown. You could argue (correctly, I think) that Dobbs also disregarded the chaos likely to result - and that did result - from throwing abortion regulation back to the states. A lot of people complained that in deciding Dobbs SCOTUS' majority stuck to a constrained originalist approach and ignored the practical effects of its decision. But now do we want SCOTUS to go all originalist and ignore the practical effects of a decision that either applies Anderson to all states, ignoring the election laws the Constitution delegates to the states, or else that holds that each state could decide for itself whether an insurrection had occurred and whether the candidate did it, leaving those states to apply different standards and allow that decision to be made in some cases by a single official? One thing that particularly bothers me is the possibility that the GOP would weaponize 14/3 and use it to remove Democrats from ballots using specious claims that they fomented insurrections, just as they have been doing with the impeachment process. If Anderson is upheld I can easily imagine some nutball GOP secretary of state in a GOP-controlled swing state waiting until just before general election ballots are printed to decide that Biden had committed insurrection because of some damn thing they made up. Be careful what you ask for, I guess. But all the geschrei about this being yet another example of SCOTUS being a bunch of fascists in Trump's pocket is mistaken, at least in this case. I don't think the liberal judges will vote to affirm, either.

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Seriously 😑 Emile Feb 2024 #1
Anger is a natural response... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #2
One of the lessons of politics I've learned... brooklynite Feb 2024 #8
I think that's exactly what's happening here mountain grammy Feb 2024 #16
Yes, but... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #21
One of the lessons in life I've learned... MiHale Feb 2024 #30
Perhaps so, but I don't share that irritation with everyone around me. brooklynite Feb 2024 #42
Who isn't getting up to fight? Tree-Hugger Feb 2024 #58
Anger can have a negative impact on one's health and mental well being Kaleva Feb 2024 #44
Sharing legitimate emotions... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #47
Especially if it gets people to take positive actions Kaleva Feb 2024 #48
Seems like the mean ones live to old age around here. Emile Feb 2024 #54
Give her a big happy kiss and hug for me! Think. Again. Feb 2024 #62
Perhaps because they are not well-connected contented millionaires dalton99a Feb 2024 #3
And yet here I am working day after day to get Democrats elected. brooklynite Feb 2024 #9
It's just you BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #4
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Lol BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #7
Sorry! Easterncedar Feb 2024 #26
He answered a question. Emile Feb 2024 #10
Ok. I should take my own advice Easterncedar Feb 2024 #25
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Thank you. That was kind. Easterncedar Feb 2024 #63
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True. I think the stress is showing. Easterncedar Feb 2024 #5
Yup. It's an outlet for frustration but after awhile it's just tiresome. Ocelot II Feb 2024 #11
There is only so long stress can go on Maeve Feb 2024 #12
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So many unresolved issues affecting the survival of democracy Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #15
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Yes, we accept what we want to believe. Ocelot II Feb 2024 #37
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