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rhett o rick

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435. There are those here who denigrate speculation? Why?

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:05 PM

Nov 2012

Especially in politics. There are a lot of cases that exist where we do not know all the answers. Like Valerie Plame, Don Seigleman, James Hoffa, etc. We may never know and therefore continue to speculate. Nothing wrong with that.

Not sure where you got “there is no honor among conspirators”. I bet there is a lot of honor. We know that some secrets are kept for long periods of time. For example. Many thought that Nixon conspired with the North Vietnamese to delay peace talks until after the election. If so, a number of co-conspirators would have known. Even non-conspirators like Everett Dirksen knew, at least after the fact. Only recently evidence was revealed indicating that LBJ knew, and had proof that Nixon was committing treason and Dirksen acknowledged such. That secret was kept for many years. Even today the corporate media is willing to continue the secret.

I don’t think it appropriate to call those that don’t buy the government line as “obsessive” (This obsession).

I view suggestions to close threads and reopen them in Creative Speculation as dismissive not helpful.

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Justice for JFK [View all] Octafish Nov 2012 OP

A sad anniversary zappaman Nov 2012 #1

One pissant? Really? lonestarnot Nov 2012 #4

Yep. One pissant. stopbush Nov 2012 #8

Yes One Pissant Politicalboi Nov 2012 #223

Vince! Still hawking your book here? Cetacea Nov 2012 #285

The 'pissant' in all likelihood wasn't Oswald. Octafish Nov 2012 #19

Why do you continue to excuse the person who actually killed JFK? stopbush Nov 2012 #29

The evidence that points to Oswald was planted before Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Nov 2012 #34

Right. Someone got a hold of Oswald's rifle and fired a few bullets off stopbush Nov 2012 #50

That's fairly ignorant of you... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #76

And I know a CTist when I see one. stopbush Nov 2012 #84

I've never read all 26 volumes.... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #161

In fact, I have read all 26 volumes. stopbush Nov 2012 #188

'Breach of Trust' by Gerald D. McKnight spells out how the Warren Commission failed the nation. Octafish Nov 2012 #243

You "have read all 26 volumes". You seem obsessed. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #305

Doesn't seem "obsessed" to me. zappaman Nov 2012 #313

Yea, sure. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #317

The history of the US is a history of conspiracy, as history in general is. "Conspiracy HiPointDem Nov 2012 #165

Some wit I saw or read long ago said, "You can call me a 'conspiracy theorist' if I coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #181

There is no such thing as a coincidence n/t Caretha Nov 2012 #189

michael parenti quote. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #235

LOL The Warren Commission? Ya Basta Nov 2012 #425

Have you ever read the WCR? I doubt it. stopbush Nov 2012 #429

How Does One Lose A Presiden't Brain?? stopbush Nov 2012 #433

That just shows RFK was in on it. zappaman Nov 2012 #434

Ha! Of course, that's the only logical conclusion that one could draw! stopbush Nov 2012 #436

Ummm.... if what he said is true, it's not an 'excuse'. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #38

+ 1000. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #301

There it is.......................................... jeggus Nov 2012 #39

Oh, a 9/11 CT'er too? YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #49

logical fallacy... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #78

Speaking of logic... Octafish Nov 2012 #444

Wow, straight to the holocaust remarks. EOTE Nov 2012 #337

Who do you believe was responsible for 9-11? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #150

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #226

There is one related event that forever muddied the picture: colorado_ufo Nov 2012 #40

He had good reason to feel that way, Oswald was already shouting to anyone who would listen that he arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #55

Because he was. hifiguy Nov 2012 #485

I have that book and so far I think it is one of the best I have read on the assassination. arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #497

The notion that Ruby turned Patriot one day in November Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #158

history is full of heads of state & other political actors who were killed by conspirators, HiPointDem Nov 2012 #168

You would do well to read a book, any book on Jack Ruby. stopbush Nov 2012 #193

That may very well be the case. Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #199

Another incredible coincidence. How on earth was Ruby lucky enough to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #220

You say you've read the WCR so you know the answer to your question. stopbush Nov 2012 #251

Do the words House Select Committee ring any bells with you btw? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #253

Some do, some don't. stopbush Nov 2012 #275

Was he a LBJ fan? AntiFascist Nov 2012 #377

Oswald called himself a 'patsy'. What do you think Oswald meant by that term? To me, coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #45

Pair that with the suspicious tracks they laid down of Oswald's "supposed" trip to Mexico prior to arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #58

If only we knew who the 'they' were, eh? - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #69

That has always been the key to it all, a lock arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #117

I count myself agnostic on this issue. I know that Vincent Bugliosi, of coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #134

I highly recommend the book and it is 17.99 on Kindle zappaman Nov 2012 #136

Thom Hartmann and another chap have a huge arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #157

I heard Thom Hartmann mention his Kennedy book on his radio show cpwm17 Nov 2012 #231

My beef with Bugliosi is that he repeated his Helter-Skelter schtick with JFK Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #163

Did you actually read "Reclaiming History," or are you assuming stopbush Nov 2012 #190

I've read it... Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #192

I'm curious as to what methodology you're talking about. stopbush Nov 2012 #195

I've written about "convergence of evidence" in other posts in this thread. Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #203

Godzilla vs Gamera Hermes Daughter Nov 2012 #222

In 1979 the House Select Committee concluded that sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #264

I am aware of this but also am (dimly) aware that the supposed Dictabelt evidence coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #279

Viewed in isolation, Oswald's calling himself "a patsy" sounds suspicious. stopbush Nov 2012 #276

That's an interesting interpretation for sure. I think for me it's the coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #281

Read up on Jack Ruby. It might give you more perspective on his killing Oswald. stopbush Nov 2012 #375

Thanks again for your pretty awesome analysis and interpretation. Definitely gives coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #396

One very interesting thing about Oswald that never gets mentioned: he was a fan of JFK. stopbush Nov 2012 #417

Occam's razor suggests... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #486

Ruby may have wanted to silence Oswald for other reasons... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #415

oh puhleeez NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #63

Read "Plausable Denial" by Mark Lane. There is an interesting segway on avebury Nov 2012 #77

That would be the same Mark Lane that the HSCA called a liar, correct? stopbush Nov 2012 #87

The basis of the book Plausible Denial avebury Nov 2012 #93

because congressment are unimpeachable, right? they never lie. not taking a HiPointDem Nov 2012 #173

Oswald's rifle. Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #112

You wrote: stopbush Nov 2012 #124

And Oswald was the only sharpshooter in the world? Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #127

But Ruby had a very particular reason for killing Oswald. stopbush Nov 2012 #196

Doesn't seem he was much of a marksman: sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #224

I'm disappointed in this post from you, as most of your posts have some logic to them. stopbush Nov 2012 #263

First of all I have not said that I do not believe Oswald sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #339

Maple trees in front of the Book Depository BUilding FogerRox Nov 2012 #364

Another stupid lie posing as a "fact" stopbush Nov 2012 #380

Trees. Leaves. Traffic Sign. Holes. Octafish Nov 2012 #446

One of the tragic facts of the JFK shooting is that for all intents and purposes stopbush Nov 2012 #374

The speculation on his sharp-shooter abilities is all on your side. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #381

Why do you continue to dispute the FACT that attaining the rank of Sharpshooter means something? stopbush Nov 2012 #383

CT/Rightwinger = 'Anyone who refuses to accept my THEORIES sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #410

You talk as if there are no facts in this case. As if there is no evidence, only speculation. stopbush Nov 2012 #418

I did not talk as if there were no facts. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #422

So, your deciding what is true can be influenced by whether the messenger plays nice with you. stopbush Nov 2012 #427

You have a right to your version of the truth. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #456

Kennedy was moving almost straight away cpwm17 Nov 2012 #406

A point that isn't mentioned a lot, even by you is... zappaman Nov 2012 #348

Why do YOU continue to excuse the person who actually killed JFK? Festivito Nov 2012 #131

Most people believe there was more than just one gunman. Oswald may have been part of it. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #378

+1 Phx_Dem Nov 2012 #113

So many people cannot accept reality and must see a comspiracy. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #61

I agree totally. frogmarch Nov 2012 #86

Bingo. But let's face it, conspiracy theories are very compelling to many. stopbush Nov 2012 #92

The philosopher of science Karl Popper argued that for a hypothesis to be valid, there coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #140

Luckily, Popper didn't speak the last word as far as the Philosophy of Science is concerned. Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #167

I can see I still need some self-education and I definitely appreciate your coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #175

Your comment was apt and to the point. Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #184

To me, it all comes back to one sentence Oswald uttered while in custody. "I'm a coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #194

Answer A is the Occam's Razor answer. stopbush Nov 2012 #198

On the surface, I agree with that (I think), but it still bugs the shit coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #206

Probability (Occam's Razor) points to A Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #207

+100. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #191

stopbush, you are the most interesting part of this thread Hermes Daughter Nov 2012 #219

Madeleine Duncan Brown rbrnmw Nov 2012 #409

Thanks Hermes Daughter Nov 2012 #459

Isn't it against the rules to diss an extremely large percentage of DU'ers Cetacea Nov 2012 #284

An "extremely large billh58 Nov 2012 #330

Tell that to the House Select Committee sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #246

Steve Barber frogmarch Nov 2012 #282

In addition to the 1979 House Committee, the 1972 House Majority Leader expressed an interest AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #311

Because the logical connection between someone being disturbed Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #170

And have you been to Dealey Plaza to examine the evidence for your own evaluation? lonestarnot Nov 2012 #274

"So many people cannot accept [your version of] reality." rhett o rick Nov 2012 #359

+1 gstxdem4445ex Nov 2012 #236

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #343

Have my doubts that any info will ever be released from official sources Cirque du So-What Nov 2012 #2

Chances of a deathbed confession died zappaman Nov 2012 #3

True that. stopbush Nov 2012 #9

Deathbed confession? He was interviewed by the press and denied any involvement. edbermac Nov 2012 #21

Yes. Because murderers ALWAYS confess to their crimes as soon as they're apprehended. stopbush Nov 2012 #27

...and Jack Ruby was out for justice, not to shut Oswald up for eternity Berlum Nov 2012 #33

Correct, the whole Jack Ruby Iggy Nov 2012 #132

Was Jack Ruby a mobster, a spook, a mole, or a general right-wing Evil Doer Berlum Nov 2012 #160

Again, Dead Men Tell No Tales Iggy Nov 2012 #270

Wrong. Jack Ruby died on January 3, 1967, 3 years and 3 months after killing Oswald. stopbush Nov 2012 #382

Three Years is a Long Period of Time? Iggy Nov 2012 #384

Right. If Ruby had made it known that he was ready to name names stopbush Nov 2012 #389

Lincoln's assassin did. As did Garfield's and McKinley's. edbermac Nov 2012 #145

And all of those assassins walked up to their victim and killed him in front of stopbush Nov 2012 #204

well, that last point is a crock. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #205

That has always been my question - hedgehog Nov 2012 #369

Not yet DJ13 Nov 2012 #53

It's pretty low of you to accuse someone of such a serious crime cpwm17 Nov 2012 #233

I appologize for saying he's still living DJ13 Nov 2012 #237

The poster didn't accuse anyone. I'd like to ask Poppy Bush what he was doing in Dallas on Nov. 22? Octafish Nov 2012 #259

It's a bad habit to use labels you are told to use by other people sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #268

I'm using my own words cpwm17 Nov 2012 #307

I believe that too. That is why I do not fling labels such as sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #319

CT is the appropriate term cpwm17 Nov 2012 #368

You are wrong. You do not know the meaning of the phrase. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #373

I'm not trying to silence anybody cpwm17 Nov 2012 #465

Your use of the term 'CT' removes any credibility you probably hope to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #479

The world isn't black or white cpwm17 Nov 2012 #490

No, it's a well known talking point. And the intention is to smear those sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #493

The term "CT" became widespread after 9-11... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #420

If there's no nothing to hide, why? Octafish Nov 2012 #22

Hunt was one of the "bums" taken off the train AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2012 #95

Ah...no he wasn't. zappaman Nov 2012 #105

Don't you love how the CTists toss out these "facts" like they're actually, er, facts? stopbush Nov 2012 #125

i believe there's been a couple of deathbed confessions but they have the same HiPointDem Nov 2012 #202

I'm still in the fight, I've got your back Sir. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. I'm in GB bobthedrummer Nov 2012 #5

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, Good Sir! Octafish Nov 2012 #24

Happy Birthday BtheD! MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #80

Thank you MrMickeysMom-we're waiting for the pies to finish and then we're off, this thread is an bobthedrummer Nov 2012 #89

My condolences... CanSocDem Nov 2012 #6

"the era of civil society that began to disappear on that day"...what? YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #12

JFK worked for peace, even with unfriendly governments. Take Cuba... Octafish Nov 2012 #48

Yeah, I don't think so... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #57

Civil society...??? CanSocDem Nov 2012 #99

Demand accountability from the officials who failed to protect JFK? stopbush Nov 2012 #7

There are many people still unaccountable, and the blowback between the FBI and CIA continues. bobthedrummer Nov 2012 #10

"Show deaths?" Somebody drank the CT kool-ade. stopbush Nov 2012 #14

Play at your own risk then stopbush. "It can't happen here", right? bobthedrummer Nov 2012 #16

Who said it can't happen here? It happened with Lincoln, whose assassination WAS the stopbush Nov 2012 #17

A Sinclair Lewis reference, by the way I hang out with molecular epidemiologists and other PhDs-have bobthedrummer Nov 2012 #18

Enjoy your day believing you're fighting the good fight against evil. stopbush Nov 2012 #23

I remember welcoming you to DU, stopbush. Octafish Nov 2012 #25

I appreciated the welcome. stopbush Nov 2012 #30

If you keep repeating those letters 'CTists' it might actually stick to people sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #83

I would be willing to bet that neither you nor 90% of the people stopbush Nov 2012 #97

And if it is too much to read for some zappaman Nov 2012 #106

You would be wrong. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #118

You read it? zappaman Nov 2012 #119

Like when I wrote "So, have you read the WCR, Sabrina1?" in post #97 above? stopbush Nov 2012 #121

You forgot that you answered your own question. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #126

"Someone has to speak up for reason and sanity". Are you series? So you self-appointed yourself rhett o rick Nov 2012 #357

Octafish.... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #171

You Should Not Have Been So Kind HangOnKids Nov 2012 #232

I have the gift of Faith in Jesus Christ as do many others-you don't "own" my perception space about bobthedrummer Nov 2012 #32

You're talking supporting the Warren commission and talking about science? MadHound Nov 2012 #26

Really? Please tell me how the single bullet theory (ie: magic bullet) defies science. stopbush Nov 2012 #41

You are far more passionate about the Magic Bullet Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #103

You can't answer the question, so why bother posting? stopbush Nov 2012 #109

Do you really want to have a serious conversation? Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #110

Sure. I'm up for a serious conversation. stopbush Nov 2012 #123

Or are you just shouting 'Nothing To See Here" for the fun of it? Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #111

I see a copy and paste from WIki here..... FogerRox Nov 2012 #366

Science and the evidence of the case? tonybgood Nov 2012 #46

Absolute delusion. stopbush Nov 2012 #75

Oh Now Caretha Nov 2012 #208

So cleaning the limo doesn't constitute "certainty" that evidence was destroyed? tonybgood Nov 2012 #291

Was any evidence recovered from the limo before it was cleaned? stopbush Nov 2012 #419

Yes, the answer is "no"!!! No evidence of any kind was taken from the limo before it was cleaned. tonybgood Nov 2012 #439

Then how to explain WC exhibits CE 567, CE 569 and CE 840? stopbush Nov 2012 #448

How do you explain the immediate destruction of evidence - the limousine? Octafish Nov 2012 #461

Blah, blah, blah. You simply don't know what you're talking about. stopbush Nov 2012 #462

No, stopbush. What you won't explain is your allegiance to the Big Lie. Octafish Nov 2012 #471

He won't be answering in this thread. n/t hootinholler Nov 2012 #472

Let's get something straight; tonybgood Nov 2012 #483

And you think that all those acknowledgements prove that this was all just sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #177

Do you have anything to add about the Atlantic article, stopbush? Octafish Nov 2012 #297

"It would not be a very difficult job to shoot the president of the United States." stopbush Nov 2012 #11

What Joseph Adams Milteer said... Octafish Nov 2012 #31

That has nothing to do with the quote I provided. stopbush Nov 2012 #43

Milteer has everything to do with it. FBI recorded him outline the plot with a high-powered rifle... Octafish Nov 2012 #52

I'm asking if you know who the person was who spoke those words in Texas stopbush Nov 2012 #65

President Kennedy said those words sadly rbrnmw Nov 2012 #489

JFK spoke those words. Why do you think they support your sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #217

Bingo! You are correct. stopbush Nov 2012 #254

Oh please stop with your games. I posted that information at least sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #269

Your quote was attributed to JFK on the morning of the assassination sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #266

No actually it doesn't. Why do you find it suspicious? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #172

Do you know who spoke those words? stopbush Nov 2012 #200

Yes, I do know who said it. JFK said it. Makes you wonder why he was sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #212

If memory serves.. ananda Nov 2012 #13

Wrong. The bubble top WAS NOT BULLETPROOF. stopbush Nov 2012 #15

It wouldn't have had to be to save him. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #51

Amanda was asserting the bubble top was bullet proof. It wasn't. That much is a fact. stopbush Nov 2012 #59

If everyone thinks your bubble is bullet-proof.... The Doctor. Nov 2012 #67

Maybe yes, maybe no. stopbush Nov 2012 #73

A Dallas tee vee station recorded JFK leaving Love Field on Nov. 22, 1963... Octafish Nov 2012 #481

K&R. It would be helpful if they were held accountable. Overseas Nov 2012 #20

With justice re-established, we could move forward... Octafish Nov 2012 #398

KICK patrice Nov 2012 #28

Thanks, patrice! Have you seen this analysis of the Warren Commission? Octafish Nov 2012 #400

Thank you for this! I have always heard that the WC was window-dressing, but have not seen an patrice Nov 2012 #401

Happy Thanksgiving, Octafish! Old and In the Way Nov 2012 #35

Happy Thanksgiving, Never Old and Never in the Way! Octafish Nov 2012 #156

Ever Science fiction fan knows who the gunman on the grassy knoll... TheMightyFavog Nov 2012 #36

Kryten's amphibious tank assault on the V.R. Jane Austen novel lake-side garden party Mc Mike Nov 2012 #405

One of the few good things about Series VII TheMightyFavog Nov 2012 #416

Thanks for posting, I want this cleared during my lifetime Tumbulu Nov 2012 #37

Read Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" or the Warren Commission Report. stopbush Nov 2012 #100

Doesn't this belong in billh58 Nov 2012 #42

Yes it does, not that it's all that creative. stopbush Nov 2012 #44

No, it really isn't. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #56

And that's why it doesn't belong in sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #91

Most people polled have never even read the WCR. 90% of Americans believed Saddam had WMDs. stopbush Nov 2012 #102

And you know this how? I know you appear to believe you are in possession sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #187

"Most people around the globe" billh58 Nov 2012 #104

People know the main 'findings' of the WCR. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #122

Really? zappaman Nov 2012 #129

Where did I get it? Right in the WCR: sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #142

So the notes I linked to are faked? zappaman Nov 2012 #147

Did you read the report or not? You asked where I got it. Since I actually did sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #152

Sorry I am late responding to this, but you are wrong. zappaman Nov 2012 #355

There you go again, accusing me of not reading something I sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #362

'The lack of professionalism is simply stunning." zappaman Nov 2012 #367

It's been a while since I read it, and it's the kind of thing you need sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #372

Sounds ominous. stopbush Nov 2012 #137

BS, good investigators ALWAYS kept notes. We are not talking about cave sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #141

History doesn't support your surmise. stopbush Nov 2012 #209

Well, one of your supporters here just proved you wrong. He WAS trying to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #214

ROFL My fucking ass off Caretha Nov 2012 #213

Lol, I know, I was trying to be polite. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #218

OMG Sabrina Caretha Nov 2012 #221

Lol! I know! I thought it was just me! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #225

The information is contain in a 2004 study produced by stopbush Nov 2012 #256

No, actually, it doesn't. Why would you think so? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #85

Because it's billh58 Nov 2012 #101

Is see questions, some opinions in an attempt to answer those questions. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #128

Good Lord! That is some logic! zappaman Nov 2012 #130

No it didn't take a lot of time at all. I have read books sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #146

It's okay, the birthers are just "asking questions" too. zappaman Nov 2012 #149

Are you calling me a 'birther' in a sneaky, roundabout way? Post some sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #151

No, not at all. I do not believe you are a birther. zappaman Nov 2012 #154

You are talking about logic. Let's review. You questioned if I had read the WCR. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #159

'You claimed everything in that report was accurate and should be taken at face value. " zappaman Nov 2012 #162

Well you seem to be now agreeing with my post which started this sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #183

Oh the old pull out the Birther bullshit to smear someone Caretha Nov 2012 #216

When one has to resort to snark, they obviously have no decent argument. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #431

No one is trying to silence you billh58 Nov 2012 #241

And here is another example of a phenomenon I find fascinating, speaking sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #250

I just want to respond to this billh58 Nov 2012 #346

Thanks for your response. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #349

Thank you very much billh58 Nov 2012 #352

No problem, we are all guilty at times! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #363

There are those here who denigrate speculation? Why? rhett o rick Nov 2012 #435

Technical note\correcton: many thought that Nixon conspired with the South Veitnamese to coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #442

My mistake. I stand corrected. Thank you. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #447

Once again you attempt billh58 Nov 2012 #452

Are you asking that this thread be locked? I dont think threads are moved in DU3. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #328

Wut? billh58 Nov 2012 #336

Obssessing over one man's murder... YoungDemCA Nov 2012 #47

I dig what you're saying. To me, the assassination of JFK functions coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #60

I don't know who you are, Young, but before you go further... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #70

And how much of the 26 volumes of the WCR have YOU read, MMM? stopbush Nov 2012 #107

You seem to be the one who supposes anything... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #164

There you go again. You were already proven to be wrong when you placed a sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #197

OMG! billh58 Nov 2012 #245

Wow! Talk about CTs! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #252

Sarcasm impaired are we? billh58 Nov 2012 #273

Thank you, we did and glad you did also. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #334

I agree, and at times billh58 Nov 2012 #342

As I pointed out in a post above, stopbush Nov 2012 #260

Yeah, I guess FlaGranny Nov 2012 #79

Not that unpopular, many here think Oswald acted alone. Rex Nov 2012 #308

You certainly woke up the conspiracy deniers. You should be more sensitive. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #54

It's amazing that there are so many 'OH '04 Election Fraud' theorists... The Doctor. Nov 2012 #62

oh, I have seen people here that do both NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #66

It is interesting how the deniers pick and choose which CT to believe. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #96

Yep, as more of the facts came out about OH, The Doctor. Nov 2012 #230

I think some are professional conspiracy deniers. Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #133

LOL! zappaman Nov 2012 #135

That you, Captain? Jack Sprat Nov 2012 #139

Really? Ridicule with 3 laughy emoticons. Really? nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #290

yes zappaman Nov 2012 #292

No I dont. But I do believe that we shouldnt try to run DU members off with ridicule. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #295

yes when being accused of being paid to come to DU zappaman Nov 2012 #296

In 2011, a Californian company, Ntrepid, was awarded a $2.76 million contract under the auspices of Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #494

I really dont mind them having doubts about any theories. Doubting isnt bad. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #138

Tag Team approach makes it near impossible to get a word in edgewise... Octafish Nov 2012 #428

Interesting article Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #64

Got a link? Octafish Nov 2012 #340

It's right there in the article Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #358

+1 ... "What Jane Roman Said"... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #460

Octafish, there's no reasoning with the crowd who continues to believe Oswald was.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #68

I never bought the official story... Little Star Nov 2012 #81

And that Oswald was a 'loner'. I always pictured Oswald sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #94

Pure delusion stopbush Nov 2012 #115

the pristine bullet zappaman Nov 2012 #116

I think those are bad examples, none of which is the Magic Bullet, CE 399. Octafish Nov 2012 #244

And here's a picture of the bottom of CE 399, showing the obvious deformity: stopbush Nov 2012 #392

So what? CE 399 was fired. No blood or tissue traces were found on it. Octafish Nov 2012 #399

Harold Weisberg wrote 'Whitewash' and 'Case Open' - both must-reads... Octafish Nov 2012 #464

agent provocateurs ruin threads dwp6577 Nov 2012 #71

Imagine what they can do to a broadcast network... Octafish Nov 2012 #258

And, of course, Operation Mockingbird AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #314

Three things every American should know about Corporate McPravda Octafish Nov 2012 #332

Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #350

back and to the left x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #72

i remember that day newspeak Nov 2012 #90

You realize that the backward motion of JFK's head was a RECOIL from his head stopbush Nov 2012 #98

Many don't see it that way... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #466

Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2012 #74

'But, nobody reads,' is how Allan Dulles put the report's heft Octafish Nov 2012 #354

Right. H2O Man Nov 2012 #360

Not everyone can have a big job. Octafish Nov 2012 #371

JFK Assassination: The Mafia Theory & Others... triplepoint Nov 2012 #82

Best JFK Assassination conspiracy theory I've ever read (and it is in coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #88

The best movie on this was "Executive Action" dflprincess Nov 2012 #238

Always popular with a certain crowd, eh? hootinholler Nov 2012 #108

The bullet did not pass through bone. Tissue, yes. Bone, no. stopbush Nov 2012 #265

Um... hootinholler Nov 2012 #280

No, it didn't have to pass through the bone to do the damage. stopbush Nov 2012 #376

Making stuff up doesn't support your contention, stopbush. Octafish Nov 2012 #391

Thanks for providing that x-ray of Connelly's wrist. stopbush Nov 2012 #430

You wrote that the magic bullet didn't go through bone, yet now claim it did? Octafish Nov 2012 #438

I'm not making that claim. stopbush Nov 2012 #443

Your own words, stopbush: ''The bullet did not pass through bone. Tissue, yes. Bone, no.'' Octafish Nov 2012 #445

Are you dense? Honestly, you don't see the difference between a bullet passing through bone stopbush Nov 2012 #449

CE 399 shows no evidence of going through tissue, let alone bone. Octafish Nov 2012 #454

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #463

Oh dear hootinholler Nov 2012 #470

That's awesome! That makes the bullet even more magic than I thought previously! hootinholler Nov 2012 #395

I don't see what's so difficult to understand here. stopbush Nov 2012 #441

Blase'? Oh, I see. hootinholler Nov 2012 #451

Something for those with more refined tastes in information... Octafish Nov 2012 #414

It's More than a Bit Late Now... Iggy Nov 2012 #114

Asking many people over the years who remember those days... Octafish Nov 2012 #312

Agreed... Iggy Nov 2012 #385

I was a little boy of 4 when JFK was assassinated, so my understanding such as it is comes from my coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #458

For gawd sake, let it go! nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #120

you are part of the problem upi402 Nov 2012 #143

What problem? nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #153

I'll take a guess. Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #169

We're not talking about all counter-narratives. Deep13 Nov 2012 #182

If you believe that the JFK case is settled Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #185

The operative word being "fancy." nt Deep13 Nov 2012 #227

lol Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #257

And let go MLK and RFK...and their discredited Liberal ideas, too, right?l Octafish Nov 2012 #390

Pretty clumsy effort to change the subject. Deep13 Nov 2012 #411

No, Deep13, you have failed to address the subject - Justice for JFK. Octafish Nov 2012 #413

This thread belongs in Creative Speculation Odin2005 Nov 2012 #144

It most certainly does! n/t zappaman Nov 2012 #148

I dont understand the danger in leaving it here in GENERAL DISCUSSION. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #298

How does moving it to the proper forum... zappaman Nov 2012 #299

Who decides what the "proper room" is? You? Besides the thread will get locked. Is that your goal? rhett o rick Nov 2012 #302

it's a forum, not a "room" zappaman Nov 2012 #310

I fully understand why "forums" are created. But I dont understand your fervor in making sure rhett o rick Nov 2012 #320

IMO, you are wrong zappaman Nov 2012 #321

I dont believe in DU3, threads can be moved. If a host thinks it is off subject they can only lock. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #324

Your response does, obviously. I was hoping you would write about Justice for JFK. Octafish Nov 2012 #333

Remember what he said about secret societies, and esoteric conversations orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #155

JFK was addressing the newspaper publishers and owners. Octafish Nov 2012 #338

His best adress to the press was after the Bay of Pigs . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #347

As a historian, I feel compelled to point out Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #166

"all of you people professing certainty in this thread are full of it." zappaman Nov 2012 #174

There is more evidence that Oswald did not act alone than he did... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #178

Our common ground... Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #186

The WCR was hardly open and shut. In fact, the WCR allowed that stopbush Nov 2012 #210

I've mentioned this above Democracyinkind Nov 2012 #180

Can we clear up some confusion? zappaman Nov 2012 #176

When you subtract out the occasional vitriol, this has to be one of the best coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #179

K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #201

IMHO...I think the Soviets nailed it right after it happened..... RagAss Nov 2012 #211

"Fascist scum"... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #424

Looks like he was aware that Kennedy was sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #476

Yes...amazing that this still remains up on Youtube.....CIA slacking on this one. RagAss Nov 2012 #487

Oswald? colsohlibgal Nov 2012 #215

Please remember JFK's life and words as well as his death: LongTomH Nov 2012 #228

I really wonder how much the BFEE had in JFK's murder. Initech Nov 2012 #229

And JFK Jr's. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #249

It can be boiled down to a two-word Latin phrase... ailsagirl Nov 2012 #234

Many people like to think that things happen for a reason cpwm17 Nov 2012 #262

Highly recommended: "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters," Peace Patriot Nov 2012 #239

Seconded. The perfect corrective to Chomsky. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #247

I agree! Chomsky is right on most things and wrong on JFK. Peace Patriot Nov 2012 #272

I'm a fan of Chomsky cpwm17 Nov 2012 #318

"Links to Chomsky"? - I've been following this thread closely since its inception (and coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #394

Perhaps this: Chomsky on JFK and Vietnam Octafish Nov 2012 #397

Thanks. Much appreciated (as are also your efforts in coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #403

The GOP has been blaming JFK for Vietnam since forever allrevvedup Nov 2012 #421

Hey there. Welcome to DU. This thread has become something of a Hydra-headed coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #432

Thank you! allrevvedup Nov 2012 #474

Excellent post and welcome to DU. I had never seen that sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #477

hey thanks sabrina! allrevvedup Nov 2012 #491

Very interesting book. Lol, but a little expensive. I wonder if they might sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #492

JFK’s Strategy of Peace, 1960: allrevvedup Dec 2012 #506

That is fascinating, seriously. Especially his views on Castro at that time. Very surprising. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #507

The drive for a 'First Strike Capability' has been a theme for the MIC throughout the Cold War LongTomH Nov 2012 #351

Because StopBush kept asking us to read the Warren Commission Report, I decided coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #240

I think the salient worss in you post are "I've only read the Forward and Chapter One." stopbush Nov 2012 #267

Fair enough. Another thought that occurred to me after I posted is that the WCR was coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #277

Try and get a hold of Bugliosi's book. zappaman Nov 2012 #287

Count me logo-centric :) I just placed a hold on the print edition of the book coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #289

Thanks again for the kind words. stopbush Nov 2012 #379

k and r! (nt) tex-wyo-dem Nov 2012 #242

A critic reviews Morley's book: 'Our Man in Mexico' Octafish Nov 2012 #387

Rec. Thanks for remembering Octafish allrevvedup Nov 2012 #248

You are most welcome, allrevvedup! Do you know Prof. Donald E. Wilkes? Octafish Nov 2012 #386

Jesse Ventura was on Piers Morgan's show. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #255

Apparently Jesse Ventura's not that good of a shot cpwm17 Nov 2012 #309

Thank you for the heads-up, Manifestor_of_Light. Octafish Nov 2012 #388

What we used to call Staring Daggers. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #404

LBJ? davidn3600 Nov 2012 #261

Yeas and paul Krassner revealed what really happened that day on the plane! zappaman Nov 2012 #294

Thanks for the comment at first I thought that was for real but after reading the article, craigmatic Nov 2012 #304

Funny you should mention that laundry_queen Nov 2012 #316

I wasn't born then JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #271

Recommend....thanks! KoKo Nov 2012 #278

+1. Thanks, Oct, MMM, and s 1 (and some others.) Mc Mike Nov 2012 #283

So please tell us -- billh58 Nov 2012 #288

So, you're yet another poster trying to tell everyone who has questions about the..... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #325

No, not at all. billh58 Nov 2012 #335

LOL....what crap. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #353

Wow! That says billh58 Nov 2012 #356

My first impression, too, OD, but I 'bit' anyhow. Thanks. nt. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #408

James Stewart Martin's book 'All Honorable Men' Mc Mike Nov 2012 #393

I think it is dirty pool for you to attack stopbush's bona fides. He didn't order coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #293

Critical connections generally missed regarding Warren Commission... Octafish Nov 2012 #306

The WCR is a massive work of fiction. Try reading the documentation on which it is.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #322

I think the anger at Stopbush is because he has gone through this sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #323

Once again Sabrina, you put it very well. One would expect that "politically liberal people" wouldnt rhett o rick Nov 2012 #327

Maybe my skin is thicker than I give myself credit for, but I don't feel like he was attacking me coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #341

Well I wasn't complaining, lol, I've certainly been attacked by sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #345

I was reading through the rather longish thread again, c_u. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #402

Many thanks for the links on McCloy and Warren. I hope to review them shortly. I took a look coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #412

Octa's post 400, just past post 28, has Mc Mike Nov 2012 #426

Dan Rather also ''mistakenly'' reported the head snapping forward. Octafish Nov 2012 #440

Thanks for the PJ link. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #475

Agreed. And, of course, there's no need to name the "post-er who keeps insisting that people stop AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #315

To protect the 'innocent', I could type it in without vowels, but too fatigued. Nt. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #407

I agree about the demand of satisfying the only reference we should read... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #455

Hi, MMM. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #480

Kicking Cetacea Nov 2012 #286

We'll never know. The lone gunman theory is just as likely as any other when you look at other craigmatic Nov 2012 #300

Maple trees in front of the Book Depository Building FogerRox Nov 2012 #365

I am surprised that someone hasnt whinned to have this thread censored. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #303

Back, and to the LEFT 1444tx Nov 2012 #326

We all have our set levels of reality that we accept (our reality bubbles) . rhett o rick Nov 2012 #329

I agree, Rick 1444tx Nov 2012 #331

I understood and agree. Anti-conspiracy people have no leg to stand on. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #361

I believe that you have billh58 Nov 2012 #370

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #344

Welcome (I know you're already "here") to DU... (Warning, graphic) MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #453

Thank you for sharing results of your hard work on this. We all have benefited so greatly. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #423

You are most welcome, Judi Lynn! Octafish Nov 2012 #495

The President of the United States had his head blown apart in public DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2012 #437

I'm having just a little trouble billh58 Nov 2012 #457

By the same token... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #468

Uh, I believe that I said as much billh58 Nov 2012 #469

In fact, there is evidence... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #473

Thanks for posting that information, billh58 Nov 2012 #482

Even to this day... AntiFascist Nov 2012 #484

Where in this long thread is there any evidence presented that contradicts Oswald as the assassin? cpwm17 Nov 2012 #467

Maybe you could do us a favor here and sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #478

The conclusions from the House Select Committee's report from 1979 appear to be invalid cpwm17 Nov 2012 #488

Excellent point: CIA sent their man from when Oswald was in New Orleans to help steer things right. Octafish Nov 2012 #496

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #450

Updates as we approach the 50th anniversary of the JFK case MinM Nov 2012 #498

@johnsimkin: Was this man responsible for the assassination of JFK? MinM Nov 2012 #499

Shackley and Poppy close at the Organization and in later business life after government service. Octafish Nov 2012 #500

@johnsimkin: What role did Bernardo De Torres play in the assassination? MinM Nov 2012 #501

Small world and very, very bad. Octafish Dec 2012 #502

Clare Boothe Luce... MinM Dec 2012 #503

A snippet of her highfalutin rhetoric Berlum Dec 2012 #505

Mrs. Luce may've obstructed justice. Octafish Jan 2013 #508

. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #504