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16. For all its lingering European defects, Germany was one of our successes
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 07:33 AM
Mar 2024

Instead of letting Germany rebuild from former structures, as the Russians did in their sector, while realizing we couldn’t eradicate all former Nazis, we kept a firm steady hand on how West Germany was rebuilt, and remade it into a British style parliamentary democracy, and built in structures that inhibited a rebirth of the old strongman-at-the-top National Socialist/Socialist/Imperial structures of the past that led to repression and war. The coalitions of the recent past have been unwieldy, but at the same time proof that democracy is holding. Merkel’s four terms as Chancellor proved that a calm, reasonable steady hand at the top works better than either an uncompromising party-leader-for-life, or a let’s-do-nothing bureaucrat.

The postwar anti-militarist sentiment remains strong in western Germany-even much of the east is catching on-and religious dominance is low. That’s the way the people like it here, and that’s why Germany has immigration issues. People LIKE the stability here, despite the crowding and high costs, and inevitable inefficiencies. When top politicians in the USA start mouthing sentiments that remind Germans of what started their worst episode a century ago, they start to get very nervous, and rightly so.

I realize that Johnson and Trump couldn’t care less what their rantings sound like in European ears, but there are 500 million Europeans (and Canadians) who do care, and hope they won’t be forced by the American Extremist Right to do anything drastic about it.

That is terrifying! They plan to destroy America and replace it with brer cat Mar 2024 #1
Your efforts are not pitiful. Thank you murielm99 Mar 2024 #3
Thank you, muriel. You have dealt with much more than I have, brer cat Mar 2024 #4
Those words might sound nice to a lot of swing voters, so I hope we counter it with similar language. "Big change" ColinC Mar 2024 #2
Um... sounds like you're getting a little bit ahead of yourself, Johnson. calimary Mar 2024 #5
Should not have read this directly before going to bed. Dem2theMax Mar 2024 #6
Fascism completely controlling everything. Handmaid's tale. lindysalsagal Mar 2024 #7
This Is The New Reality 100% HandmaidsTaleUntold Mar 2024 #8
Great list of groups lostnfound Mar 2024 #9
Might be fun to look into it a little. calimary Mar 2024 #13
They'll have to close the borders and airports to stem the Exodus bucolic_frolic Mar 2024 #10
the flow of 'illegals' Conjuay Mar 2024 #19
They will just declare martial law and refuse to allow anyone near an airport or a border. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Mar 2024 #21
Good to have a second passport. TxGuitar Mar 2024 #29
On the other hand, if Democrats take the House, and keep the Senate and the White House DFW Mar 2024 #11
How far we've fallen in only 80 years -- to consider fleeing the US for Germany..... 70sEraVet Mar 2024 #15
For all its lingering European defects, Germany was one of our successes DFW Mar 2024 #16
Are we going to bdamomma Mar 2024 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Conjuay Mar 2024 #22
The list is long Roy Rolling Mar 2024 #12
Yep. Branding 101. calimary Mar 2024 #14
I am working on identifying what corporations, businesses and individuals are associated with this fascist crap maxrandb Mar 2024 #17
To admit this is to admit all of it is about money. OldBaldy1701E Mar 2024 #23
It's not only about money, it's about power as well maxrandb Mar 2024 #30
Yep. Power is money and vice versa these days. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Mar 2024 #32
most of those changes will land on women BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2024 #18
Mike's been sniffing glue again. Didn't he notice the ALABAMA election last week? Vinca Mar 2024 #20
May they keep talking and talking and telling us who they are and what they want. Biophilic Mar 2024 #24
Kick StarryNite Mar 2024 #25
The little prick is highly motivated and dangerous. dalton99a Mar 2024 #26
and what will you do mickey when Biden wins the White House, and the Democrats control both the Senate and the House you JohnSJ Mar 2024 #28
That would be the absolute worst possible outcome of the election. Initech Mar 2024 #31
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