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We need an exodus from Zionism [View all] Voltaire2 Apr 24 OP

Here's the operative line that makes article bullshit NoRethugFriends Apr 24 #1

Exactly. You can't "out nice" people who are determined to torture and kill you. n/t Coventina Apr 24 #2

Com'on...there's good people on both sides. Amirite? CincyDem Apr 24 #26

VERY FINE PEOPLE. ON BOTH SIDES. Maru Kitteh Apr 24 #51

There are choices between 'genocidal maniac' and 'just be nice'. Voltaire2 Apr 24 #4

Please note my opinion in the post of what Netanyahu is doing NoRethugFriends Apr 24 #6

"cannot be protected by the rampaging military of that state" Voltaire2 Apr 24 #14

Yes there are NoRethugFriends Apr 24 #24

Stopping the war won't reduce antisemitism. But, continuing it makes it worse. Earth-shine Apr 24 #63

Everyone really should read _People Love Dead Jews_. LauraInLA Apr 24 #65

It is the people of Gaza who are dying by the tens of thousands. Voltaire2 Apr 25 #113

I thought it was the Seder line. BannonsLiver Apr 24 #8

This makes me ponder Mr.Bill Apr 24 #47

is Zionism the same as Judaism ? serious question Tetrachloride Apr 24 #3

Absolutely not, despite efforts to conflate the two. Voltaire2 Apr 24 #5

Question NoRethugFriends Apr 24 #10

Everyone also should read the Michael Chabon novel _The Yiddish Policemen's Union_. LauraInLA Apr 24 #66

ty. Tetrachloride Apr 24 #11

Zionists are people who support a Jewish state ripcord Apr 24 #9

Thank-you. The term has been intentionally misused by those who JohnSJ Apr 24 #57

No. elleng Apr 24 #45

No, think of it as a sort of Jewish Nationalism IronLionZion Apr 24 #73

Forwarding this Hekate Apr 24 #7

Zionist means being for a Jewish homeland. Elessar Zappa Apr 24 #12

They have a homeland claudette Apr 24 #32

Except there are certain groups who not only refuse to accept that, but JohnSJ Apr 24 #60

For years, Netanyahu supported Hamas financially and politically. Yes, things are not so simple. Earth-shine Apr 24 #68

Oh please, blame Netanyahu for Oct 7th? Bullshit. I blame Hamas JohnSJ Apr 24 #74

I did not say I blame Bibi for Oct 7. I said "it ain't so simple" using your own words. Earth-shine Apr 24 #78

I do, but also blame the Israel people for his continued power. True Blue American Apr 24 #86

My limited understanding is that most Israeli's support Bibi's actions but not him, per se. Earth-shine Apr 24 #91

I did not make a "personal" argument against you, nor was it a straw man argument JohnSJ Apr 24 #99

You wrote - "Please, blame Netanyahu for Oct 7th? Bullshit." That's a strawman. Earth-shine Apr 24 #101

Thanks for clarifying the part you viewed as "strawman". JohnSJ Apr 24 #104

Thank you for correcting the bumper-sticker thinking. AnrothElf Apr 24 #70

Oh please claudette Apr 24 #77

You are spared. Thanks for asking AnrothElf Apr 24 #100

Why did Palestinians reject the UN offer of a homeland wnylib Apr 24 #75

You will never get an answer to that question. n/t Coventina Apr 24 #103

Why not set up another homeland, or 3 or 4? Multiple zions erronis Apr 24 #41

They are already divided into communities in Israel, and there is friction among factions. Earth-shine Apr 24 #72

Stage 5 Sympthsical Apr 24 #13

Sure of course Naomi Klein is a raging anti-semite Voltaire2 Apr 24 #16

If the 20th Century wasn't enough Sympthsical Apr 24 #19

and Klein's constant anti-Hillary crap helped sway some JohnSJ Apr 24 #64

Yeah, Klein's Anti Hillary screeds are part of why we got Fasccism in the WH and Cha Apr 24 #92

+++ JohnSJ Apr 24 #97

Klein or Wolf? maxsolomon Apr 24 #107

Klein often called Democrats elite neoliberals (as if Democratic policies are the same as Republican, betsuni Apr 24 #112

Nailed it. BannonsLiver Apr 24 #18

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Apr 24 #15

So then what does that say about people who think "we need an exit from Zionism"? BannonsLiver Apr 24 #22

Naivete at best NoRethugFriends Apr 24 #25

Not really claudette Apr 24 #33

Your family believes there should be no Israel? sarisataka Apr 24 #36

No claudette Apr 24 #38

Then, according to the dictionary definition, sarisataka Apr 24 #39

So Nuttyahoo claudette Apr 24 #42

I would agree with that assessment of him sarisataka Apr 24 #48

By definition most citizens of Israel are Zionist. Netanyahu of course is a Zionist, but so is his opposition. LeftInTX Apr 24 #85

What definition of Zionism does your family have? Mossfern Apr 24 #95

Words are symbols, not the thing. multigraincracker Apr 24 #102

Gods may not be real but flags are, here's a picture of one: EX500rider Apr 24 #108

Defined. Symbol, something that multigraincracker Apr 24 #110

Well if you want roads & airports & social security etc you need government EX500rider Apr 25 #114

Israel is stealing Gaza? That's a new one. marybourg Apr 24 #105

Yes, it's not a monolithic view BuddhaGirl Apr 24 #52

The "oppose" it because they think Israel can only exist if G-D creates it. Behind the Aegis Apr 24 #80

I'd say there's often a huge overlap, but I can't agree they are the same Silent3 Apr 24 #67

I am puzzled, by exodus from Zionism sarisataka Apr 24 #17

Or, she is encouraging the viewpoint that all Jews everywhere are responsible for Coventina Apr 24 #20

She is either extremely naive sarisataka Apr 24 #23

she is neither naive nor unaware. ProfessorPlum Apr 24 #58

If she believes all Israel has to do is stop and antisemitism will go away sarisataka Apr 24 #62

The poster you're responding to didn't say anything about "antisemitism will go away"... Silent3 Apr 24 #71

That I can agree with sarisataka Apr 24 #76

what a strawman ProfessorPlum Apr 24 #88

You may note I began this subthread posing it as a question sarisataka Apr 24 #89

There is no "our Judaism"... agingdem Apr 24 #21

Rec.. TY! Cha Apr 24 #93

Distilling 'Peace in Our Time' down to its fundamentals. Torchlight Apr 24 #27

This is the ultimate goal of all the pro-Palestinian activism: marybourg Apr 24 #28

Not to claudette Apr 24 #34

And do what? Lay down to be rolled over? marybourg Apr 24 #94

No, it isn't claudette Apr 24 #44

Oh, under the guise of. The horrific attacks on Israel were not enough to marybourg Apr 24 #49

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The ultimate goal of all the pro-Palestinian activism: Big Blue Marble Apr 24 #96

But in their case, they want it on the land on which Israel is situated. marybourg Apr 24 #109

Which land are you referring to? Big Blue Marble Apr 24 #111

As an ecofeminist, Naomi should be aware that pretty damned niyad Apr 24 #29

Post deleted LW1977 Apr 24 #30

I can assure you, and Klein, and other like minded that none of you would be spared by the hooligans question everything Apr 24 #31

That's only because claudette Apr 24 #37

Those "pro-innocents" protestors have made common cause with anti-semite protestors maxsolomon Apr 24 #53

I really don't know claudette Apr 24 #79

Of course they have the right to peaceful assembly. maxsolomon Apr 24 #84

It unfortunately is coming from both. LeftInTX Apr 24 #98

I'm reacting to the videos and photos I've seen from the on-campus and campus-adjacent protests. maxsolomon Apr 24 #106

THIS malaise Apr 24 #35

Ah Yes... Happy Hoosier Apr 24 #40

Who are claudette Apr 24 #46

The point of the essay... Happy Hoosier Apr 24 #90

This makes me want to vomit, fast as a comet. PCIntern Apr 24 #43

Fine. Zionism is a false idol. What now, Naomi "Not Naomi Wolf" Klein? maxsolomon Apr 24 #54

We need an exodus from religion. Sibelius Fan Apr 24 #55

Except being Jewish is not even a matter of religion. LauraInLA Apr 24 #69

I'm a little confused. What does the author think of events after the mount. Raven123 Apr 24 #56

The International Jew Add. 1 - by Naomi Klein Mosby Apr 24 #59

4 claims about "our Judaism", all of them wrong. jg10003 Apr 24 #61

A simple google search reveals that Naomi Klein has been the Queen of self-hating Jews since she was 12 years old. madaboutharry Apr 24 #81

Agree! True Blue American Apr 24 #82

She doesn't make her point very clearly IronLionZion Apr 24 #83

I think there is an issue moniss Apr 24 #87