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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
15. Well, I would have to watch the piece in order to judge it fairly,
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:34 AM
Nov 2012

However there is a lot more to the start, and conduct, of the Cold War than what we're taught in standard high school and college history classes.

For years and decades the US grossly overestimated Soviet power and intentions. For instance, in the aftermath of WWII, the Soviets were pulling up railroad tracks in East Germany. This came to be interpreted as the Soviets were putting down more track in advance of an invasion of West Germany.

Perhaps the biggest, and one can certainly wonder if it was deliberate, overestimation of Soviet power came from one man over a span of twenty years, Reinhardt Gehlen. During WWII, Gehlen served as the head of intelligence for the Nazis in Eastern Europe, namely the Soviets. As the war was winding down, Gehlen decided to try and write his own ticket. He took all the records he could, buried them in a safe place, and then basically proceeded to turn himself over to the US forces. The US was indeed under a legal obligation to turn Gehlen over to the Soviets, but they didn't. Instead, they retrieved his little treasure trove and put him to work for us.

At the time, and for years to come, the US didn't have any sort of intelligence assets in the Soviet Union. The boys in the CIA made Gehlen their top man in Soviet intelligence. Now think about this, what could possibly go wrong, putting a virulent Nazi in charge of gathering and reporting intelligence about his worst enemy, Communists? Yeah, that's exactly what happened. For years Gehlen fed the CIA grossly overstated reports of massive Soviet military buildup. You see, until the US either got eyes in the sky over the USSR, or the US decided to run an independent intelligence operation in the Soviet Union, there was no way to verify what Gehlen fed us. And feed us he did. What later turned out to be dozens of ICBM's magically morphed into hundreds, what were hundreds of troops on the border became tens of thousands. Of course, the US responded, engaging in an arms race where the racing was, at least initially, quite one sided. We were spending our treasure on responding to a military threat that was much less than what we thought.

The kicker is that even when we got the capability to double check Gehlen's reports with U2 overflights and other, more honest intelligence, we continued to act like, and act on, Gehlen's intelligence like it was completely true. We continued to build up our military forces, and in response the Soviet Union built up theirs, and we built up our even further in response to that.

All based on some crazy vengeful Nazi who was feeding us false info. Even after it was proven that his info was false. But by the time it was found out that his intel was false, too many people in power were making too much money. The MIC was in its first full flower during the '50's, and it wasn't going to give up while there was money to be made, which is why we're still saddled with wars of empire to this very day.

Like I said, I haven't watched Stone's show, but if this is what he touches on, then more power to him.

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the thing that ruined "JFK" for me Enrique Nov 2012 #1
"Interesting?" Archae Nov 2012 #3
What is up with this Anti-Semitic meme running around in Hollywood? vaberella Nov 2012 #7
Not just liberals in Hollywood. Archae Nov 2012 #9
The part where he says Johonny Nov 2012 #31
The late Larry Hagman in Nixon (1995) MinM Nov 2012 #12
JFK was an incomprehensible confusing mess bluestateguy Nov 2012 #2
Well, O.K. (I read the whole link.)But it was priceless when STONE dropped his bomb on Morning Scab UTUSN Nov 2012 #4
I agree JFK was make believe. But it is great movie making. applegrove Nov 2012 #5
I also agree oswaldactedalone Nov 2012 #8
As a kid, my brother used to have a book on a jfk conspiracy. I used applegrove Nov 2012 #34
it's a ten-part TV series, not a 'documentary'. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #6
Ok, it's a "documentary" series then. Archae Nov 2012 #10
It's loathsome on a liberal website that anyone would DARE judge a move without seeing it first. KittyWampus Nov 2012 #39
Is there a post where the OP says they haven't seen it? zappaman Nov 2012 #45
i vowed around JFK never to watch a stone movie. pansypoo53219 Nov 2012 #11
last movie I saw from stone was platoon. Won't waste time with his vision of things anymore still_one Nov 2012 #27
Oliver Stone has been a RW whipping boy for a long, long time (since Platoon) JCMach1 Nov 2012 #13
"Sometimes?" Archae Nov 2012 #14
there are some of his movies that aren't JCMach1 Nov 2012 #53
Well, I would have to watch the piece in order to judge it fairly, MadHound Nov 2012 #15
Stone does the nation a service by bringing up the things the rightwing prefers we move on from. Octafish Nov 2012 #18
In other news: water is wet. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2012 #16
Absolutely no cred Berlum Nov 2012 #17
To me JFK was more about the fascination with the event and all the conspiracy theories CBGLuthier Nov 2012 #19
So you've seen it? joeybee12 Nov 2012 #20
Too many to count. Archae Nov 2012 #21
Is that the same Wikipedia famous for CIA revisions? Octafish Nov 2012 #22
Garrison was a fraud zappaman Nov 2012 #24
Garrison was a World War II hero and a guy who devoted his life to Justice. Octafish Nov 2012 #38
So war heroes can't be nuts? zappaman Nov 2012 #46
What? Like the time Eisenhower's CIA asked the Mafia to kill Castro? Octafish Nov 2012 #49
"What? Like the time Eisenhower's CIA asked the Mafia to kill Castro?" zappaman Nov 2012 #50
I think the other poster was asking if you'd seen the documentary you are testifying Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #32
Yup. nt woo me with science Nov 2012 #43
What is sad is that way too many people view JFK as a documentary zappaman Nov 2012 #23
One Big Thing Oliver Stone got right: JFK was pulling US out of Vietnam. Octafish Nov 2012 #25
Not according to Bobby zappaman Nov 2012 #26
So what? That was before LBJ used the Tonkin Gulf Incident as casus belli for sending in draftees. Octafish Nov 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Nov 2012 #41
I take it you object to the "USA as Empire" angle? Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #28
He did a hatchet job on Harry Truman JPZenger Nov 2012 #29
I don't care for most of his films, nor for him personally, but this is not valid criticism Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #30
I watched 10 minutes of Stone's history show. Archae Nov 2012 #48
So, does this mean "Scarface" is fiction? LTR Nov 2012 #33
X - P = Richard Case Nagell MinM Nov 2012 #35
He's fantastic and I'll be watching this LittleBlue Nov 2012 #36
The worst part of that movie Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #40
First time I heard that stupid thing talk I fell "back and to the left" on my ass. :-p nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #42
onto the grassy knoll? Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #44
A grassy Knoll in the Dagobah System. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2012 #47
These are not the magic bullets you're looking for Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #51
But his "W." had me laughing until I cried rock Nov 2012 #52
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