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In reply to the discussion: Oliver Stone's "documentary" is a farce. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)37. So what? That was before LBJ used the Tonkin Gulf Incident as casus belli for sending in draftees.
And the resulting escalation to more than 500,000 ground forces that lead to the deaths of millions of innocent people, including almost 59,000 Americans -- mostly draftees, but did make a lot of money for Brown & Root and the rest of the military industrial complex.
What Bobby Kennedy said later:
Bobby Kennedy: America's first assassination conspiracy theorist
May 13, 2007
BY DAVID TALBOT
One of the most intriguing mysteries about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, that darkest of American labyrinths, is why his brother Robert F. Kennedy apparently did nothing to investigate the crime. Bobby Kennedy was, after all, not just the attorney general of the United States at the time of the assassination -- he was his brother's devoted partner, the man who took on the administration's most grueling assignments, from civil rights to organized crime to Cuba, the hottest Cold War flash point of its day. But after the burst of gunfire in downtown Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, ended this unique partnership, Bobby Kennedy seemed lost in a fog of grief, refusing to discuss the assassination with the Warren Commission and telling friends he had no heart for an aggressive investigation. "What difference does it make?" he would say. "It won't bring him back."
But Bobby Kennedy was a complex man, and his years in Washington had taught him to keep his own counsel and proceed in a subterranean fashion. What he said in public about Dallas was not the full story. Privately, RFK -- who had made his name in the 1950s as a relentless investigator of the underside of American power -- was consumed by the need to know the real story about his brother's assassination. This fire seized him on the afternoon of Nov. 22, as soon as FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover, a bitter political enemy, phoned to say -- almost with pleasure, thought Bobby -- that the president had been shot. And the question of who killed his brother continued to haunt Kennedy until the day he too was gunned down, on June 5, 1968.
Because of his proclivity for operating in secret, RFK did not leave behind a documentary record of his inquiries into his brother's assassination. But it is possible to retrace his investigative trail, beginning with the afternoon of Nov. 22, when he frantically worked the phones at Hickory Hill -- his Civil War-era mansion in McLean, Va. -- and summoned aides and government officials to his home. Lit up with the clarity of shock, the electricity of adrenaline, Bobby Kennedy constructed the outlines of the crime that day -- a crime, he immediately concluded, that went far beyond Lee Harvey Oswald, the 24-year-old ex-Marine arrested shortly after the assassination. Robert Kennedy was America's first assassination conspiracy theorist.
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A stunning outburst
Meanwhile, as Lyndon Johnson -- a man with whom he had a storied antagonistic relationship -- flew east from Dallas to assume the powers of the presidency, Bobby Kennedy used his fleeting authority to ferret out the truth. After hearing his brother had died at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, Kennedy phoned CIA headquarters, just down the road in Langley, where he often began his day, stopping there to work on Cuba-related business. Bobby's phone call to Langley on the afternoon of Nov. 22 was a stunning outburst. Getting a ranking official on the phone -- whose identity is still unknown -- Kennedy confronted him in a voice vibrating with fury and pain. "Did your outfit have anything to do with this horror?" Kennedy erupted.
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Kennedy had another revealing phone conversation on the afternoon of Nov. 22. Speaking with Enrique "Harry" Ruiz-Williams, a Bay of Pigs veteran who was his most trusted ally among exiled political leaders, Bobby shocked his friend by telling him point-blank, "One of your guys did it." Who did Kennedy mean? By then Oswald had been arrested in Dallas. The CIA and its anti-Castro client groups were already trying to connect the alleged assassin to the Havana regime. But as Kennedy's blunt remark to Williams makes clear, the attorney general wasn't buying it. Recent evidence suggests that Bobby Kennedy had heard the name Lee Harvey Oswald long before it exploded in news bulletins around the world, and he connected it with the government's underground war on Castro. With Oswald's arrest in Dallas, Kennedy apparently realized that the government's clandestine campaign against Castro had boomeranged at his brother.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GreenLeft_discussion/message/42434
Thus, given the facts, RFK's perspective changed.
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Well, O.K. (I read the whole link.)But it was priceless when STONE dropped his bomb on Morning Scab
UTUSN
Nov 2012
#4
It's loathsome on a liberal website that anyone would DARE judge a move without seeing it first.
KittyWampus
Nov 2012
#39
last movie I saw from stone was platoon. Won't waste time with his vision of things anymore
still_one
Nov 2012
#27
Stone does the nation a service by bringing up the things the rightwing prefers we move on from.
Octafish
Nov 2012
#18
To me JFK was more about the fascination with the event and all the conspiracy theories
CBGLuthier
Nov 2012
#19
I think the other poster was asking if you'd seen the documentary you are testifying
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2012
#32
So what? That was before LBJ used the Tonkin Gulf Incident as casus belli for sending in draftees.
Octafish
Nov 2012
#37
I don't care for most of his films, nor for him personally, but this is not valid criticism
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2012
#30
First time I heard that stupid thing talk I fell "back and to the left" on my ass. :-p nt
Guy Whitey Corngood
Nov 2012
#42