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jg10003

(1,019 posts) Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:43 PM Jul 21

It was not some grand plan, it was a massive failure. [View all]

The party should have defended Joe from the start. They should have said that a few senior moments augmented by a lifetime stutter does not indicate cognitive impairment. They should have stuck by Joe like the repubs stick to tfg. Instead they bought into the media narrative of Biden being too old. It wasn't strategy, it was mass hysteria. It was Democrats once again failing to fight back.

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It was not some grand plan, it was a massive failure. [View all] jg10003 Jul 21 OP

so true! nt macwriter Jul 21 #1

Yet big donors weren't coming forth with campaign checks. Omnipresent Jul 22 #105

that is the heart of the problem edisdead Jul 22 #118

true rampartc Jul 22 #131

Yep Blue Full Moon Jul 22 #161

I guess you know more than Biden about this. Klarkashton Jul 21 #2

I think it is/was EXTREMELY clear, that Biden wanted to continue stopdiggin Jul 21 #20

The most powerful person in the world was "brow-beaten" brooklynite Jul 22 #57

I think Joe Biden made this decision himself stopdiggin Jul 22 #67

I think Pres Biden Bowed Out For Unity and Democracy.. There were So Many Excellent Cha Jul 22 #90

While Trump crows about his "taking a bullet" for the country... CincyDem Jul 22 #92

Yeah, We had some pretty Wonderful Stay Donors.. Cha Jul 22 #93

and I would not disagree with any of that stopdiggin Jul 22 #121

But they didn't, and we are in a different situation now. Ocelot II Jul 21 #3

Joe Manchin wants to run as a Democrat BWdem4life Jul 21 #7

If the alternative was Trump, I would. Ocelot II Jul 21 #12

I guess it's a good thing repigs have a bad enough candidate that we would have to settle for the likes of Manchin. BWdem4life Jul 21 #16

As I have said before, I'd vote for any Democrat who could fog up a mirror Ocelot II Jul 21 #18

Of course, Blue No Matter Who... emulatorloo Jul 22 #44

Manchin doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Dem nomination. emulatorloo Jul 22 #43

this is true but msm and maddow are pushing the story so it must happen ImNotGod Jul 22 #61

😃 Happily I have no problem tuning them out! emulatorloo Jul 22 #64

Right. We have enough real problems, without worrying about hypothetical problems. griffi94 Jul 22 #152

Hell no chicoescuela Jul 21 #13

He's not a Democrat Pisces Jul 21 #14

Reportedly, he was considering re-registering as a Democrat. Ocelot II Jul 21 #17

Turn coats need not apply Pisces Jul 22 #167

back up ... you're actually articulating that you would NOT vote stopdiggin Jul 22 #27

Context BWdem4life Jul 22 #32

not my kind of Democrat stopdiggin Jul 22 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jul 22 #48

I want to be Emperor of the Planet Zongo relayerbob Jul 22 #54

My feelings exactly.............n/t chillfactor Jul 21 #4

I'm glad somebody is saying it Prairie Gates Jul 21 #5

That's how I've felt for the last few weeks. nt LAS14 Jul 22 #166

No. People saw the debate. Sky Jewels Jul 21 #6

THANK YOU Skittles Jul 21 #15

But you are telling us we have to be enthused, even if we are not currently, because of the way the President displacedvermoter Jul 21 #22

My enthusiasm is entirely aimed at defeating Trump. Sky Jewels Jul 22 #45

My enthusiasm was aimed at a second Biden/Harris administration displacedvermoter Jul 22 #72

Dump didn't exactly shine during the debate. StarryNite Jul 22 #25

newsflash Skittles Jul 22 #26

Skittles, you are the best! Sky Jewels Jul 22 #49

So should Hillary Clinton. And she lost to him. lees1975 Jul 22 #65

I DID MOVE ON Skittles Jul 22 #68

Whoa there Tweedy Jul 22 #91

Mahalo! Rec. Cha Jul 22 #95

"Winning" the debate doesn't guarantee election victory Kaleva Jul 22 #98

Nah Tweedy Jul 22 #110

The media piled on because the owners ordered them to do so Wicked Blue Jul 22 #112

I wouldn't put Obama's and Reagan's performance in the same category Kaleva Jul 22 #120

There are more to add Tweedy Jul 22 #122

As poorly as Obama or Reagan or even Gore in that one debate Jk23 Jul 22 #126

Ad hominem is never supposed to win any argument Tweedy Jul 22 #160

This was about the fact that the overwhelming majority of everyday Dems wanted Biden to step aside. nt DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 22 #37

I refuse to believe that Wicked Blue Jul 22 #123

Is that why 14 million dems voted for him? GoreWon2000 Jul 22 #128

The Democratic base was just not energized enough to defeat Trump. Sky Jewels Jul 22 #47

Maybe not. Desert grandma Jul 22 #76

No, there is a spark and an energy and a fire now that didn't exist 24 hours ago. Sky Jewels Jul 22 #80

Agree 100% Rstrstx Jul 22 #97

I totally disagree! GoreWon2000 Jul 22 #130

Well, of course it is! Sky Jewels Jul 22 #150

The expectations were set very high for Joe Zambero Jul 22 #62

Yes. Sky Jewels Jul 22 #63

So Pres Biden had one Bad Debate and he Rallied the Next Day.. Cha Jul 22 #86

You explained it perfectly. Also... Oopsie Daisy Jul 22 #99

I absolutely hate the way our president was treated by some people here, but apparently that's ok. we can do it Jul 22 #107

Amen! Oopsie Daisy Jul 22 #108

Just how much is President Biden supposed to give anyway?? AkFemDem Jul 22 #103

Agree... if things were coming together where it appeared he could win, the Irish in him would have kept PortTack Jul 22 #141

It would sit better with me if Democratic leaders hadn't spent the past 3 weeks Wicked Blue Jul 22 #158

This. Voltaire2 Jul 22 #96

Everyone was angry with Jon Stewart on his comeback show Jk23 Jul 22 #125

Thank God for the wisdom of Jon Stewart displacedvermoter Jul 22 #159

yeah OK Skittles Jul 22 #165

I hope you are never judged in your professional life based on one negative thing you did. onecaliberal Jul 22 #129

To be fair... Yorkist Jul 21 #8

I'm ecstatic. Sorry you are so upset. nt LexVegas Jul 21 #9

It's concerning that GoreWon2000 Jul 22 #133

how long will disillusionment posts be allowed Skittles Jul 21 #10

This BlueInPhilly Jul 22 #24

Stop it. It hasn't even been a full day since the backstabbers got their way and forced out Biden. Self Esteem Jul 22 #31

DOES NOT MATTER Skittles Jul 22 #33

Your tone isn't helpful. Self Esteem Jul 22 #39

Priority One now is defeating Trump. We can do post game analysis after we kick Trump's ass to the curb. emulatorloo Jul 22 #55

Yeah and telling people their frustration DOES NOT MATTER isn't helping do that. Self Esteem Jul 22 #56

I'm very frustrated too. But I have more important stuff to do right now - DEFEATING TRUMP emulatorloo Jul 22 #60

What exactly are you doing at this moment to defeat Trump? Self Esteem Jul 22 #77

Do what you need to do at your own pace. And a slightly belated welcome to DU! emulatorloo Jul 22 #89

+100 crimycarny Jul 22 #142

*I* do not expect to be coddled Skittles Jul 22 #69

And you will need as many allies as possible. Self Esteem Jul 22 #74

once again, we are FIGHTING FASCISM Skittles Jul 22 #75

And your attitude isn't helping. Self Esteem Jul 22 #78

Exactly..and thank you for voicing the truth of things. PortTack Jul 22 #144

Exactly.. Not "helpful" at all. Just the Opposite. Cha Jul 22 #88

Are you for real? displacedvermoter Jul 22 #79

Why are you overlooking the fact that President Biden ultimately made this decision because he felt he couldn't win? PortTack Jul 22 #145

Calling it "backstabbers" is not fair. nt DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 22 #40

I agree. It's much worse than that but I don't want to get banned. Self Esteem Jul 22 #41

Sorry but it's fair because these GoreWon2000 Jul 22 #135

Maybe you can consider newdayneeded Jul 22 #111

Cut off legitimate expressions of grief and disgust with the way things were done just like the votes of the people lees1975 Jul 22 #53

yeah WE GET IT Skittles Jul 22 #87

What do you get? displacedvermoter Jul 22 #100

I agree, we are fighting the nightmare of fascism Wicked Blue Jul 22 #113

the Supreme Court decided that big money will run elections Skittles Jul 22 #163

Don't you just love anyone telling you what to do Cha Jul 22 #94

... Wicked Blue Jul 22 #114

Aww Cha Jul 22 #157

I'm asking the same thing. President Biden felt he couldn't win...why are so many fighting that? Sad indeed, PortTack Jul 22 #143

This! lapfog_1 Jul 22 #153

... BannonsLiver Jul 21 #11

Typing fast to beat the post removal. usonian Jul 21 #19

I get it. I understand angrychair Jul 21 #21

They should remember what happened with Trump in 2016 BluenFLA Jul 22 #23

Comey talked nonsense about Hillary's emails Skittles Jul 22 #29

Sorry, but she ran a terrible campaign Deminpenn Jul 22 #81

if she ran a bad campaign Skittles Jul 22 #85

She ran a bad campaign in Pennsylvania Deminpenn Jul 22 #101

The popular vote doesn't matter Jk23 Jul 22 #138

Trump is a cheater and a liar Jk23 Jul 22 #137

I've thought about this. Self Esteem Jul 22 #35

It's about the voters planj07 Jul 22 #28

Exactly. Sky Jewels Jul 22 #52

You're not wrong especially about young voters Jk23 Jul 22 #139

I thought your lead in was about trump and 2025. I think pwb Jul 22 #30

and that's another thing that needs to stop Skittles Jul 22 #71

It was absolutely a massive failure on our party's part... regnaD kciN Jul 22 #34

They tried that and no amount of gaslighting people that they didn't see what they saw at the debates meadowlander Jul 22 #36

Remember hoping to watch Biden smoke TSF in debate, or at least hold his own. He tried, he was right, trump lied, but Silent Type Jul 22 #42

He also had a cold, or possibly the beginnings of Covid Wicked Blue Jul 22 #115

Biden is a smart, tremendous leader and he is behind Harris for President. nt still-prayin4rain Jul 22 #46

And this is what really matters! PortTack Jul 22 #149

Unfortunately true. nt BootinUp Jul 22 #50

It is what it is. Time to help VP Harris defeat Trump. Number one priority right now. emulatorloo Jul 22 #51

Yeah. Leave the grand plan stuff to Alex Jones, et al. RockRaven Jul 22 #58

He was indeed forced out, and we will remember relayerbob Jul 22 #59

Egged on by certain individuals who have "pull" with donors. valleyrogue Jul 22 #66

Doesn't matter now. Joe's not running. spanone Jul 22 #70

There were several key extenuating circumstances here Metaphorical Jul 22 #73

Too many Congressional dems a disaster just like in 2000 by GoreWon2000 Jul 22 #82

I was a vigorous supoorter, however now... IbogaProject Jul 22 #83

Silk purse/sow's ear. n/t Eyeball_Kid Jul 22 #84

As far as "failures" go, this could have turned out much worse ColinC Jul 22 #102

I get what you are saying. Doodley Jul 22 #106

I guess we will know how much worse (or hopefully better) it gets come November displacedvermoter Jul 22 #162

Beating fascism is more important than any one person. We are in a stronger position now. We have to move forward. Doodley Jul 22 #104

It had gone well behind stuttering and 'senior' moments JCMach1 Jul 22 #109

Okay, so the next time you're exhausted and have a bad cold Wicked Blue Jul 22 #124

My point is the cause really wasn't important here... JCMach1 Jul 22 #151

I'm sorry, but I must have missed that diagnosis Wicked Blue Jul 22 #154

Not a doctor, but what has been described since he stepped down JCMach1 Jul 22 #155

Thge massive failure Zeitghost Jul 22 #116

Yep. edisdead Jul 22 #117

It was his decision...he as much as said so when he said for the good of the country and his party PortTack Jul 22 #148

The number one motivator? Defeating Trump. Sky Jewels Jul 22 #156

Time for unity. Time to stop publicly crying that Biden is not our candidate. Goodheart Jul 22 #119

It was neither planned nor a failure Sympthsical Jul 22 #136

when i personally find myself in the shoulda, coulda, woulda in anything about myself, about life, what somaticexperiencing Jul 22 #127

To be honest claudette Jul 22 #132

Same....As much as I didn't want to see it...very sad PortTack Jul 22 #146

I know claudette Jul 22 #147

Whatever. tavernier Jul 22 #134

Unless you're a DC insider, I don't think you really know, do you? Chakaconcarne Jul 22 #140

The mass public pants-shitting over a bad debate was terrible form. D23MIURG23 Jul 22 #164