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87. Good answer...

Sun Aug 11, 2024, 11:21 PM

Aug 11

I would expand it to include showing strength and humility in success and failure. If you're successful, don't gloat, if you fail, accept it; don't whine or blame someone else.

And show respect to all who deserve it and never disrespect anyone just to make them look inferior.

My personal philosophy is to try to live by the Ten Commandments and The Golden Rule.

Some politicians break a Commandment multiple times every day, most often the one about bearing false witness.

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We grew up in an environment where MEN ordained themselves to be in control, whether it was in the family or in business or in government. The male gender was accepted as the Macho gang who would forever rule the world. Times changed and macho went out of style. Some men accepted that, some didn't. For those who didn't, it's a personal problem. One of those things you can't fix.

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My Wife and I married in 1968 and have been married ever since. It took me about 20 years to accept the fact but She has always been a bigger man than me. And I am not reluctant to tell Her that or anyone else.

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I learned something today about toxic masculinity. [View all] LAS14 Aug 11 OP

REAL MEN don't need validation Skittles Aug 11 #1

Of course that's true, but... LAS14 Aug 11 #3

um Skittles Aug 11 #10

We need a description, not just models. LAS14 Aug 11 #11

simple common human decency? Skittles Aug 11 #13

That doesn't address the need because it applies equally to both sexes. nt LAS14 Aug 11 #14

why do men need more? Skittles Aug 11 #16

I have been arguing this lfor two decades while men have been battling LizBeth Aug 11 #28

right Skittles Aug 11 #33

They were the men supporting Sanders but just could not get themselves to support HRC LizBeth Aug 11 #35

don't even get me started on BS Skittles Aug 11 #40

Bah hhaahahahaaha LizBeth Aug 11 #44

So what became of the idea that the Democratic party has a big tent? LAS14 Aug 12 #98

we are a big tent Skittles Aug 12 #105

So, Dems coddle make ego so they feel secure in masculinity in order to get their vote even IF LizBeth Aug 12 #112

What you Rebl2 Aug 11 #76

Create your own description mercuryblues Aug 11 #43

I'm pretty sure what these insecure men "need" Skittles Aug 11 #59

Yes. Bottom line. Yes. this is what it is and we are having none of it. Old, tired, done!!! LizBeth Aug 11 #61

But 1st, they need women to tell them what it is and how to do it. mercuryblues Aug 11 #66

lol.... sigh, ya. LizBeth Aug 11 #70

We are not responsible for their behavior Zoomie1986 Aug 12 #90

Thank you for this: mucholderthandirt Aug 13 #121

Operationalizing positive masculinity: a theoretical synthesis and school-based framework to engage boys and young men Celerity Aug 11 #48

As ever, thank you so much for this important information. niyad Aug 11 #88

Yw! Celerity Aug 12 #96

Thanks! nt LAS14 Aug 12 #92

Yw! Celerity Aug 12 #97

👍 claudette Aug 11 #56

Amen sister! Glamrock Aug 11 #79

'sup Glamrock!!! Skittles Aug 11 #80

Walz is a very positive masculine symbol Sanity Claws Aug 11 #2

I don't think the mere presence of an admirable man on the ticket... LAS14 Aug 11 #6

Strong disagree. Happy Hoosier Aug 11 #85

Did you read the post above? nocoincidences Aug 12 #106

He wants men to have their own adjectives that are special to only men, that women do not have. LizBeth Aug 12 #113

Is Walz filling the role of a positive male role model? senseandsensibility Aug 11 #4

See reply #6. LAS14 Aug 11 #8

Tim Walz. He illustrates it perfectly. ms liberty Aug 11 #5

See reply #6. LAS14 Aug 11 #9

Like my brother. no_hypocrisy Aug 11 #7

Now is there a way to translate that into a political position, the way... LAS14 Aug 11 #12

Decent human being, caring, RandomNumbers Aug 11 #38

I see examples of positive masculinity every day. FuzzyRabbit Aug 11 #15

Can you transform these examples... LAS14 Aug 11 #19

Who says there has to be only one way to be a "real man"? FuzzyRabbit Aug 11 #22

"Strong, head of the family" isn't a "political vision" SharonClark Aug 11 #39

I gasped... I thought you were defining as head of house.... lmao LizBeth Aug 11 #47

I dont disagree that there has been shift right by men and left by women LizBeth Aug 11 #17

We can't just rest on being the party of secure men. LAS14 Aug 11 #20

You seem to not even get close to the point. You cannot "define" masculinity. LizBeth Aug 11 #23

yup Skittles Aug 11 #24

You think you're going to get that by SharonClark Aug 11 #30

Exactly and women are clever enough having expoerienced men defining us... always LizBeth Aug 11 #36

Thank you. Think. Again. Aug 12 #103

A man who uses his strength to take responsibility rather than power Walleye Aug 11 #18

Aha! Getting there! LAS14 Aug 11 #21

If men only knew how much that kind of support means to us Walleye Aug 11 #25

So the speaker was telling them not to be SharonClark Aug 11 #42

CORRECT!!! Skittles Aug 11 #49

That it is even being needed to be said they are not emasculated voting for a woman, and a black one at that LizBeth Aug 11 #51

How is that an iota bit of difference from femininity? I suppose next we will say strong LizBeth Aug 11 #26

Thank you! SharonClark Aug 11 #31

Good answer... Septua Aug 11 #87

Um....President Joe Biden! Clouds Passing Aug 11 #27

your question: What would a leftist vision of positive masculinity look like? Attilatheblond Aug 11 #29

You left off Pete and Chasten Buttigieg. They're masculine and not toxically so. n/t dobleremolque Aug 11 #73

wasn't going personal names, but I agree with you. Those two men are top notch masculine and real mensch types. Attilatheblond Aug 11 #82

You'd be shocked to find out how many of those people vote for Republicans mathematic Aug 12 #94

Not shocked at all. Well aware that GOP supporters are in many groups Attilatheblond Aug 12 #95

Let me give you an example I have had a blast with almost yr now. Swift/Kelce LizBeth Aug 11 #32

I feel like this idea falls into the trap of the right's idea of forming a preception of what a man and what a woman Claustrum Aug 11 #34

Well said. Think. Again. Aug 12 #104

Excuse me, but - - Bull S___!! stopdiggin Aug 11 #37

Here is another I just LOVE.... We call our little two year olds, little men. Dad leaves the house LizBeth Aug 11 #41

You must be my sister from another mother. SharonClark Aug 11 #45

Isn't it just so fuckin stupid and men take it so seriously, and I am all like.... NO!!!! LizBeth Aug 11 #52

Tell it! Attilatheblond Aug 11 #57

Just as a matter of curiosity, why does The Left have to do everything? niyad Aug 11 #46

That's a good question. calimary Aug 11 #60

Why don't you tell us? tenderfoot Aug 11 #50

What is the opposite of Rush Limbaugh? SleeplessinSoCal Aug 11 #53

Except that is women too. I guess they need to find adjectives that ONLY define them and to that, LizBeth Aug 11 #54

toxic masculinity nails them. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 11 #89

What would "negative" claudette Aug 11 #55

Barack Obama was not adequate? Was it the tan suit? Hekate Aug 11 #58

OMgosh, the tan suit took down the manly snowflakes. lol LizBeth Aug 11 #62

Obama? Young, dynamic, handsome, sank that three-pointer? viva la Aug 11 #63

As David French points out, the GOP go with the low and vulgar and violent as "masculine"-- viva la Aug 11 #65

I see your edit. Asking for description. It cannot be done. LizBeth Aug 11 #64

Positive masculinity: Lunabell Aug 11 #67

Men are more logical than women? Where did my logic go. I always had such an abundance. LizBeth Aug 11 #72

Well, talk to researchers,not me. Lunabell Aug 11 #83

I think if you will google are men more logical you will find a lot of data to contradict LizBeth Aug 11 #84

I think its more left brained for men elias7 Aug 11 #86

Tbh most if not all of this is due to socialization. Oneironaut Aug 12 #115

"Right" and "left" brainedness is a myth, fyi. Oneironaut Aug 12 #114

..being a conscious and decent human being? whathehell Aug 11 #68

This isn't the place for that conversation Sympthsical Aug 11 #69

If you don't like the answers why not provide an example yourself ecstatic Aug 11 #71

Role models on the left are everywhere, there is Biden, Obama, and Walz and many many more. Bev54 Aug 11 #74

A real man possesses both strength and compassion. usonian Aug 11 #75

Masculinity is a pointless social construct. meadowlander Aug 11 #77

Hear Hear! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Aug 12 #91

What virtues are distinctly masculine? eallen Aug 11 #78

Yeah. LAS14 Aug 12 #93

No... They say leader, strong, protector, integrity ect.... they just IGNORE that women LizBeth Aug 12 #100

You think "compassionate" is associated with masculinity? Sky Jewels Aug 12 #116

No. I think it SHOULD be associated with masculinity. Which is not to say... LAS14 Aug 13 #120

And they wonder why quality women shun them rockbluff botanist Aug 11 #81

What would a leftist vision of positive masculinity look like? LudwigPastorius Aug 12 #99

Why do you feel that reverting to gender stereotyping is necessary to win this election?? Think. Again. Aug 12 #101

As a woman, I could be totally wrong wryter2000 Aug 12 #102

It's impossible for a man to answer this question without being accused of "mansplaining." PeaceWave Aug 12 #107

You want toxic? LiberaBlueDem Aug 12 #108

I am ForgedCrank Aug 12 #109

PLEASE!!! Enough already! How about we STOP letting the rwnj's set the terms niyad Aug 12 #110

The problem is that the wealthy and celebrities get away with being bullies... haele Aug 12 #111

Getting tired of this trope that women are GenThePerservering Aug 12 #117

I don't buy the notion that "the right has a story to tell" or... CBHagman Aug 12 #118

Agree GenThePerservering Aug 12 #119

I'm going to see what Obama is thinking regarding this subject. LAS14 Aug 13 #122

Reeves is the #1 guy on this subject! BluesRunTheGame Aug 13 #123