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ForgedCrank

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109. I am

Mon Aug 12, 2024, 06:49 PM

Aug 12

who I am. I don't need the party or anyone else to tell me what I should be or how I should behave.
And I don't give a single shit what anyone else thinks of me outside of my family.

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I learned something today about toxic masculinity. [View all] LAS14 Aug 11 OP

REAL MEN don't need validation Skittles Aug 11 #1

Of course that's true, but... LAS14 Aug 11 #3

um Skittles Aug 11 #10

We need a description, not just models. LAS14 Aug 11 #11

simple common human decency? Skittles Aug 11 #13

That doesn't address the need because it applies equally to both sexes. nt LAS14 Aug 11 #14

why do men need more? Skittles Aug 11 #16

I have been arguing this lfor two decades while men have been battling LizBeth Aug 11 #28

right Skittles Aug 11 #33

They were the men supporting Sanders but just could not get themselves to support HRC LizBeth Aug 11 #35

don't even get me started on BS Skittles Aug 11 #40

Bah hhaahahahaaha LizBeth Aug 11 #44

So what became of the idea that the Democratic party has a big tent? LAS14 Aug 12 #98

we are a big tent Skittles Aug 12 #105

So, Dems coddle make ego so they feel secure in masculinity in order to get their vote even IF LizBeth Aug 12 #112

What you Rebl2 Aug 11 #76

Create your own description mercuryblues Aug 11 #43

I'm pretty sure what these insecure men "need" Skittles Aug 11 #59

Yes. Bottom line. Yes. this is what it is and we are having none of it. Old, tired, done!!! LizBeth Aug 11 #61

But 1st, they need women to tell them what it is and how to do it. mercuryblues Aug 11 #66

lol.... sigh, ya. LizBeth Aug 11 #70

We are not responsible for their behavior Zoomie1986 Aug 12 #90

Thank you for this: mucholderthandirt Aug 13 #121

Operationalizing positive masculinity: a theoretical synthesis and school-based framework to engage boys and young men Celerity Aug 11 #48

As ever, thank you so much for this important information. niyad Aug 11 #88

Yw! Celerity Aug 12 #96

Thanks! nt LAS14 Aug 12 #92

Yw! Celerity Aug 12 #97

👍 claudette Aug 11 #56

Amen sister! Glamrock Aug 11 #79

'sup Glamrock!!! Skittles Aug 11 #80

Walz is a very positive masculine symbol Sanity Claws Aug 11 #2

I don't think the mere presence of an admirable man on the ticket... LAS14 Aug 11 #6

Strong disagree. Happy Hoosier Aug 11 #85

Did you read the post above? nocoincidences Aug 12 #106

He wants men to have their own adjectives that are special to only men, that women do not have. LizBeth Aug 12 #113

Is Walz filling the role of a positive male role model? senseandsensibility Aug 11 #4

See reply #6. LAS14 Aug 11 #8

Tim Walz. He illustrates it perfectly. ms liberty Aug 11 #5

See reply #6. LAS14 Aug 11 #9

Like my brother. no_hypocrisy Aug 11 #7

Now is there a way to translate that into a political position, the way... LAS14 Aug 11 #12

Decent human being, caring, RandomNumbers Aug 11 #38

I see examples of positive masculinity every day. FuzzyRabbit Aug 11 #15

Can you transform these examples... LAS14 Aug 11 #19

Who says there has to be only one way to be a "real man"? FuzzyRabbit Aug 11 #22

"Strong, head of the family" isn't a "political vision" SharonClark Aug 11 #39

I gasped... I thought you were defining as head of house.... lmao LizBeth Aug 11 #47

I dont disagree that there has been shift right by men and left by women LizBeth Aug 11 #17

We can't just rest on being the party of secure men. LAS14 Aug 11 #20

You seem to not even get close to the point. You cannot "define" masculinity. LizBeth Aug 11 #23

yup Skittles Aug 11 #24

You think you're going to get that by SharonClark Aug 11 #30

Exactly and women are clever enough having expoerienced men defining us... always LizBeth Aug 11 #36

Thank you. Think. Again. Aug 12 #103

A man who uses his strength to take responsibility rather than power Walleye Aug 11 #18

Aha! Getting there! LAS14 Aug 11 #21

If men only knew how much that kind of support means to us Walleye Aug 11 #25

So the speaker was telling them not to be SharonClark Aug 11 #42

CORRECT!!! Skittles Aug 11 #49

That it is even being needed to be said they are not emasculated voting for a woman, and a black one at that LizBeth Aug 11 #51

How is that an iota bit of difference from femininity? I suppose next we will say strong LizBeth Aug 11 #26

Thank you! SharonClark Aug 11 #31

Good answer... Septua Aug 11 #87

Um....President Joe Biden! Clouds Passing Aug 11 #27

your question: What would a leftist vision of positive masculinity look like? Attilatheblond Aug 11 #29

You left off Pete and Chasten Buttigieg. They're masculine and not toxically so. n/t dobleremolque Aug 11 #73

wasn't going personal names, but I agree with you. Those two men are top notch masculine and real mensch types. Attilatheblond Aug 11 #82

You'd be shocked to find out how many of those people vote for Republicans mathematic Aug 12 #94

Not shocked at all. Well aware that GOP supporters are in many groups Attilatheblond Aug 12 #95

Let me give you an example I have had a blast with almost yr now. Swift/Kelce LizBeth Aug 11 #32

I feel like this idea falls into the trap of the right's idea of forming a preception of what a man and what a woman Claustrum Aug 11 #34

Well said. Think. Again. Aug 12 #104

Excuse me, but - - Bull S___!! stopdiggin Aug 11 #37

Here is another I just LOVE.... We call our little two year olds, little men. Dad leaves the house LizBeth Aug 11 #41

You must be my sister from another mother. SharonClark Aug 11 #45

Isn't it just so fuckin stupid and men take it so seriously, and I am all like.... NO!!!! LizBeth Aug 11 #52

Tell it! Attilatheblond Aug 11 #57

Just as a matter of curiosity, why does The Left have to do everything? niyad Aug 11 #46

That's a good question. calimary Aug 11 #60

Why don't you tell us? tenderfoot Aug 11 #50

What is the opposite of Rush Limbaugh? SleeplessinSoCal Aug 11 #53

Except that is women too. I guess they need to find adjectives that ONLY define them and to that, LizBeth Aug 11 #54

toxic masculinity nails them. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 11 #89

What would "negative" claudette Aug 11 #55

Barack Obama was not adequate? Was it the tan suit? Hekate Aug 11 #58

OMgosh, the tan suit took down the manly snowflakes. lol LizBeth Aug 11 #62

Obama? Young, dynamic, handsome, sank that three-pointer? viva la Aug 11 #63

As David French points out, the GOP go with the low and vulgar and violent as "masculine"-- viva la Aug 11 #65

I see your edit. Asking for description. It cannot be done. LizBeth Aug 11 #64

Positive masculinity: Lunabell Aug 11 #67

Men are more logical than women? Where did my logic go. I always had such an abundance. LizBeth Aug 11 #72

Well, talk to researchers,not me. Lunabell Aug 11 #83

I think if you will google are men more logical you will find a lot of data to contradict LizBeth Aug 11 #84

I think its more left brained for men elias7 Aug 11 #86

Tbh most if not all of this is due to socialization. Oneironaut Aug 12 #115

"Right" and "left" brainedness is a myth, fyi. Oneironaut Aug 12 #114

..being a conscious and decent human being? whathehell Aug 11 #68

This isn't the place for that conversation Sympthsical Aug 11 #69

If you don't like the answers why not provide an example yourself ecstatic Aug 11 #71

Role models on the left are everywhere, there is Biden, Obama, and Walz and many many more. Bev54 Aug 11 #74

A real man possesses both strength and compassion. usonian Aug 11 #75

Masculinity is a pointless social construct. meadowlander Aug 11 #77

Hear Hear! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Aug 12 #91

What virtues are distinctly masculine? eallen Aug 11 #78

Yeah. LAS14 Aug 12 #93

No... They say leader, strong, protector, integrity ect.... they just IGNORE that women LizBeth Aug 12 #100

You think "compassionate" is associated with masculinity? Sky Jewels Aug 12 #116

No. I think it SHOULD be associated with masculinity. Which is not to say... LAS14 Aug 13 #120

And they wonder why quality women shun them rockbluff botanist Aug 11 #81

What would a leftist vision of positive masculinity look like? LudwigPastorius Aug 12 #99

Why do you feel that reverting to gender stereotyping is necessary to win this election?? Think. Again. Aug 12 #101

As a woman, I could be totally wrong wryter2000 Aug 12 #102

It's impossible for a man to answer this question without being accused of "mansplaining." PeaceWave Aug 12 #107

You want toxic? LiberaBlueDem Aug 12 #108

I am ForgedCrank Aug 12 #109

PLEASE!!! Enough already! How about we STOP letting the rwnj's set the terms niyad Aug 12 #110

The problem is that the wealthy and celebrities get away with being bullies... haele Aug 12 #111

Getting tired of this trope that women are GenThePerservering Aug 12 #117

I don't buy the notion that "the right has a story to tell" or... CBHagman Aug 12 #118

Agree GenThePerservering Aug 12 #119

I'm going to see what Obama is thinking regarding this subject. LAS14 Aug 13 #122

Reeves is the #1 guy on this subject! BluesRunTheGame Aug 13 #123