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getagrip_already

(17,773 posts)
6. I reject your hypothisis..
Wed Aug 21, 2024, 01:15 PM
Aug 2024

This is not a tossup election, although we should treat it that way.

First, national polls dont mean much in an electoral college system.

Second, polls are garbage. They have an achiles heal of not knowing who, or how many, of any demo is going to turn out, and that is how they are constructed. Small changes in a turnout model will result ineasureable changes in the final numbers.

Will it be a red wave election? Blue wave? Roe wave? Youth wave,? Grumpy white guy wave? 2020 election? 2016 election? 2022 election?
Some combination? None of that?

Add to that there is a distinct polling bias. Phone polls only reach predominantly conservative leaning respondants; retiree, stay at homes, work at homes, lonely people who answer every call.

Even online polls are biased because they are.opt in. Pollstets have to trust self reported profiles to try to sort respondents. But was the bot honest?

And finally, likely voter polls dont measure voters who havent recently voted. The young, women who just werent motivated to turn out before, and other voters who are registered but just havent voted but will this time.

That last group is what surprised us in 2016. Nontraditional white male voters who felt disaffected because nobody held their racist/mysogynist views. They turned out in droves. They were invisible to pollsters.

So this whole horserace thing is defeatest. We are not behind. We do need to fight in every battleground state. We do need to gotv.

We need win too big to steal.

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Burnt umber burnout? EYESORE 9001 Aug 2024 #1
I think that's a big part of it. underpants Aug 2024 #2
Not to downplay the ticket BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #4
the country is exhausted. barbtries Aug 2024 #28
Still a toss up. As Simon Rosenberg and Joe Trippi pointed out pat_k Aug 2024 #3
I Guess For Me RobinA Aug 2024 #5
There are 20+ point swings with certain groups... CaptainTruth Aug 2024 #8
28 years of FOX news pat_k Aug 2024 #30
I reject your hypothisis.. getagrip_already Aug 2024 #6
I proposed no hypothesis... CaptainTruth Aug 2024 #10
Then i rejected your repost of their hypothesis.... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #11
LOL oh come on, you know that's not how it works. CaptainTruth Aug 2024 #20
Not how modern polling works Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #16
Sorry, not true at all getagrip_already Aug 2024 #18
Win.Too.Big.To.Steal FalloutShelter Aug 2024 #27
Hope Joy, optimism. gibraltar72 Aug 2024 #7
Exactly Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2024 #21
Though we really can't see inside the polling data, and can't verify their conclusions at all, lees1975 Aug 2024 #9
We can and do see inside the polling data Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #19
Listen to the money arlyellowdog Aug 2024 #12
the swing voters myth Cirsium Aug 2024 #13
Kamala Harris! Fla Dem Aug 2024 #14
I can't even understand why it is close. debm55 Aug 2024 #15
She's not Joe Biden Jersey Devil Aug 2024 #17
she's not Donald Fucking Trump is more like it Skittles Aug 2024 #23
He quite likely could be the catalyst. He has exhibited weird behavior. twodogsbarking Aug 2024 #24
obviously she is more exciting than Biden Skittles Aug 2024 #25
I agree Kaleva Aug 2024 #31
It is women of course. LiberalBrooke Aug 2024 #22
According to the non-partisan Cook Political Report the election is a dead heat in the swing states. JohnSJ Aug 2024 #26
I'm with Michael Steel JustAnotherGen Aug 2024 #29
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