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PatrickforB

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23. You know, I'm an economist. I have been practicing for 18 years. Someday, I figure I'll
Wed Sep 4, 2024, 12:02 AM
Sep 2024

get good at it!

Just kidding.

Remember how Nicolle Wallace was in McCain's campaign back in 08? One of my favorite quotes of hers is that 'the left was right all along.'

Because it is, you know. Once you understand the shareholder primacy doctrine of corporate governance, which was established through a Michigan Supreme Court ruling in 1919 against Henry Ford in favor of the Dodge brothers. The Dodge brothers, you see, sued Ford because after his new assembly line exponentially increased Ford Motor Company's output, he gave his workers substantial raises so they could afford to buy the cars they built. The Dodge brothers, who held shares in Ford Motor Company, sued on the basis that unreasonably high pay for factory hands deprived them of profits to which they were entitled as shareholders. And they won.

This is why American corporations traded on Wall Street often behave sociopathically. See, if you are the new CEO of a publicly traded company, your ONLY fiduciary responsibility, really, is to generate more profits for shareholders. So the first thing you are going to do when you move into that corner office is bust the union. Then, if you can get away with it, you will try and steal the pension fund and give it to shareholders. You will also cut corners on safety and other working conditions to maximize profits. Remember when Amazon was called out for not air conditioning their warehouses, and castigated for the fact their workers had to pee in bottles because they couldn't get to and from the bathroom on their breaks. Seriously.

As to consumers, you are going to cut the size of packaging but keep the price constant, or even raise the price claiming the product has been 'improved.' You will also cut corners on component quality, like Boeing did. Their CEO was doing his job. Wall Street loved him, but he was obsessed with profits at the expense of building good airplanes. This is why those doors got loose, and there have been real quality concerns. And you know, back in '09 when Deepwater Horizon blew, eleven workers were killed on the spot, all because they were trying to cut costs by using inferior concrete. They had already had a disaster, but the media, most of which is ALSO publicly traded, didn't report on that. But no one could cover up a spill that size.

Which brings us to the environment. Corporate officers and boards of directors routinely 'buy' politicians by helping them get elected, and then expecting them to vote their way, which is usually for tax cuts, subsidies and to pass on the costs of corporate malfeasance to taxpayers while at the same time retain the profits.

So that's it. My son got his degree in business with a finance emphasis, and after the pandemic led a team that helped people with troubled mortgages get back on top of them and get current. They had a stellar year. What did the company do? Well, you'd expect they would give their star performers really good raises, wouldn't you?

Nope. Instead of that, the CEO had management buy $25 gift cards to Target, and instead used the bump in profits to buy back shares, which is good for shareholders. Unfortunately all the Millennials on the team, including my son, found other jobs because they could. Right away. Because the American population has not been growing fast enough to supply workers for all the new jobs being created through economic growth. So the percent of foreign-born workers in the US labor force went from 9% in 1990 to nearly 20% this year. We need immigrants, and when I speak before business audiences, I point out that what we actually need is a business friendly immigration policy. It's the truth.

Anyway, the solution?

Ah, I'm glad you asked! Instead of a shareholder primacy model of corporate governance, where shareholder profits are king, and held more important than worker interests, consumer interests and the environment, we need a stakeholder model where those interests are held EQUAL in value to shareholder profits. So a CEO of a publicly traded company would have a fiduciary responsibility for shareholder profits, worker interests - like life/work balance, good pensions, safety and so on - consumer interests and the environment, and would have to consider all of them when making decisions.

That would have a lot of benefits. It really would. First, it would pull the teeth of Wall Street, which has entirely too much power. See, most of the shares of these companies are held in big mutual funds, and the fund managers routinely pressure CEOs of publicly traded companies to engage in actions that boost short-term profits but hurt workers, consumers and the environment. Consider Johnson and Johnson. They knew their talc caused ovarian cancer. They knew. But they did cost-benefit analysis and determined it would be better for shareholders to just keep quiet about it and pay the claims when they arose. Until they got caught, of course. Remember also the Ford Pinto? Its gas tank had a defect that would sometimes cause the car to burst into flames if it got rear ended just right. So Ford did the same analysis and concluded they should just pay the claims, because after all, it didn't ALWAYS happen! But they got caught too and lost market share. Took them some time to come back.

If you want to read more, don't take my word for it. The late Lynn Stout, a distinguished professor of corporate law at Stanford, wrote a great book called The Myth of Shareholder Value. It is very good and will give you a really good overview of the sharholder primacy doctrine and how damaging it has been in the long run.

Warm regards.
PatrickforB

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Gotcha 🤣 [View all] BlueKota Sep 2024 OP
Nice Coexist Sep 2024 #1
Thank you! BlueKota Sep 2024 #2
Well done! pandr32 Sep 2024 #3
Thank you! BlueKota Sep 2024 #4
Great job Fresh_Start Sep 2024 #5
Thank you. BlueKota Sep 2024 #9
It's always so satisfying to shut down a Trumper! Diamond_Dog Sep 2024 #6
It's definitely a great feeling BlueKota Sep 2024 #10
If they think grocery prices are high now central scrutinizer Sep 2024 #7
They have no clue what they are in for. BlueKota Sep 2024 #11
Child labor and those receiving public support, I suppose travelingthrulife Sep 2024 #37
Or they'll round up all the liberals central scrutinizer Sep 2024 #38
I suspect they'll use the liberals to fertilize the fields.... erronis Sep 2024 #40
Crop picking is what MAGAts think are "black jobs" -- I think that's been pellucidly clear all along Hekate Sep 2024 #42
I had a moron post one of those, "our founding fathers fled religious persecution" memes, and my response was, brewens Sep 2024 #8
Love it. BlueKota Sep 2024 #12
I do shit like that a lot. Make statements not revealing what I know, as bait. Then BOOM! LOL n/t brewens Sep 2024 #13
It's a lot of fun BlueKota Sep 2024 #14
A Trumper woman posted one of those longing for news like we had growing up memes and I asked who she had in brewens Sep 2024 #16
Wait, who did Walter call a communist sympathizer? ShazzieB Sep 2024 #17
Right-wingers called Cronkite a commie sympathizer over Vietnam. n/t brewens Sep 2024 #18
Oh, so someone called Walter a commie sympathizer! ShazzieB Sep 2024 #25
The all important missing comma. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2024 #27
Proper comma use is not taught in schools anymore. Neither is penmanship. Just scribble your name on this line. mucholderthandirt Sep 2024 #46
So true. Exactly why Republicans have been Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2024 #49
Excellent BlueKota Sep 2024 #28
Great response. LoisB Sep 2024 #15
Thank you BlueKota Sep 2024 #29
No one I know on Facebook every discusses economics. Xolodno Sep 2024 #19
They need to be trounced. BlueKota Sep 2024 #30
When I argue this same point, I bring up self-interest (because that's a phrase that perks their ears up)... JHB Sep 2024 #20
Big ole K&R! yonder Sep 2024 #22
It's basic logic, BlueKota Sep 2024 #31
soup. did you say soup. i recently discovered for me, that i have been cooking soup "right" is all wrong. pansypoo53219 Sep 2024 #21
Good idea BlueKota Sep 2024 #32
You know, I'm an economist. I have been practicing for 18 years. Someday, I figure I'll PatrickforB Sep 2024 #23
When I was in graduate school getting my MBA, the theory was that corporations had three constituents. Lonestarblue Sep 2024 #26
I will definitely read the book. BlueKota Sep 2024 #34
I think one of the solutions is... dickthegrouch Sep 2024 #41
Note to Earl G - soldierant Sep 2024 #43
I use a quick workaround, which you can see in my post right next to yours... Hekate Sep 2024 #45
Thank you. My workaround has been to soldierant Sep 2024 #48
Very interesting & very understandable! Thanks for the food for thought. 🌸 Hekate Sep 2024 #44
Not an economist, and probably crazy, but my opinion is ... mucholderthandirt Sep 2024 #47
That's how you do it. applegrove Sep 2024 #24
Thank you BlueKota Sep 2024 #35
Sounds a lot like the current Wally World way of doing business. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2024 #33
Very true and the same with Amazon too. BlueKota Sep 2024 #36
Well done. c-rational Sep 2024 #39
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