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24. I believe it is extremely unlikely that this was intentional
Sat Sep 7, 2024, 09:17 AM
Sep 2024

That 737 was "owned and operated by Eastern Air Express". That was not Trump or Vance's people flying the plane, it was Eastern Air Express aircrew.

This makes it clear the pilots did violate heavily restricted airspace:

“Eastern Express 917, I have a phone number I need you to take down… I need you to call when you get down on the ground in reference to a possible pilot deviation,” the air traffic controller can be heard telling the crew of Vance’s jet in the audio clip @thenewarea51 posted. Additional air traffic control audio subsequently surfaced where the instruction “make a left” can also be heard...

He IS going to face enforcement action from the FAA. The pilot in command would know that he is risking his career to pull a stunt like this intentionally. An Airline Transport Pilot license (ATP) requires a minimum of 2500 flight hours and is a mandatory requirement for this category of aircraft. He could lose everything over this, his ATP, possibly his pension, fines, temporarily or permanently grounded from flying of any type, including small general aviation aircraft. He would have to be incredibly stupid to pull a stunt like this just because there was a senator in back telling him it's ok.

To be clear, I totally believe that Trump/Vance's people are arrogant enough to ask the pilots to do this. They would do this thinking they have the juice to get away with it, but knowing that if they don't, it's the aircrew that takes the fall not them.

Having come close to earning my private pilots license my junior year of high school before I ran out of money, I have a tough time believing any professional pilots would pull this stunt. To emphasize this: they were professional ATPs before this flight, during this flight and would expect to continue this career path after this flight. They were Eastern Air Express employees, not campaign employees, so this gig would be temporary. Whatever level of enforcement the FAA chooses will be on the aircrews record forever.

I guess we will know for sure if the campaign puts out flyby video....

There was nothing "inadvertent" about it. Think. Again. Sep 2024 #1
I believe it is extremely unlikely that this was intentional InstantGratification Sep 2024 #24
Great explanation. Thanks. 👍 Wonder Why Sep 2024 #29
They wouldn't Aviation Pro Sep 2024 #37
Good point InstantGratification Sep 2024 #45
For comedic value only: InstantGratification Sep 2024 #70
I agree with your assesment. Another BIG question is did the PIC refuse direction from ATC? That's an even bigger deal Cheezoholic Sep 2024 #41
Professional standards and good judgement are not a feature of MAGA. If anything, the flouting of ALL rules is Dogma. Ford_Prefect Sep 2024 #60
In other words these guys were flying the plane lol! Cheezoholic Sep 2024 #61
You are ABSOLUTELY correct!! maspaha Sep 2024 #54
They let him take the wheel. Fichefinder Sep 2024 #77
That's inadvertent spelled with a wink. They are a self indulgent and priveliged lot. marble falls Sep 2024 #2
Wow that is serious. Pilot could lose his license over that. yellowcanine Sep 2024 #3
Do you think trump care about the pilot? Probably a veteran (loser and sucker.) erronis Sep 2024 #16
Should lose. twodogsbarking Sep 2024 #23
The pilot may not care... could be close to retirement getagrip_already Sep 2024 #55
It's not allowed because it IS unsafe. Girard442 Sep 2024 #62
I get that... getagrip_already Sep 2024 #63
It's long been rumored that... InstantGratification Sep 2024 #71
"Eastern Express 917, I have a phone number I need you to take down..." That means you're in trouble! Dennis Donovan Sep 2024 #4
It's one of the five hazardous attitudes Aviation Pro Sep 2024 #39
No respect.......................... Lovie777 Sep 2024 #5
This was... 2naSalit Sep 2024 #6
THIS malaise Sep 2024 #9
Bet there'll be lots of red-hatted magats video'd on the ground as the plane soars over the monument. erronis Sep 2024 #17
Absolutely! And I'll bet you NOTHING happens to pilot. Watch and ses... SheltieLover Sep 2024 #28
Wrong. The pilot is likely to lose his license or at least have it suspended Ocelot II Sep 2024 #36
Prohibited airspace not Restricted Aviation Pro Sep 2024 #42
Same point, though. There's not a lot of room to maneuver Ocelot II Sep 2024 #44
The pilots during their takeoff brief Aviation Pro Sep 2024 #48
If they took off from 1 they would have had to turn left right after takeoff Ocelot II Sep 2024 #58
Time will tell, but I hold no stock in punishment being meted out to the pilot or the couchfucker SheltieLover Sep 2024 #74
FAA doesn't care. This was a charter flight, not Vance's personal plane or pilot. Ocelot II Sep 2024 #75
Bastards bdamomma Sep 2024 #11
Was he flying in a Trump campaign branded plane? If yes, this was purposeful to create campaign video footage. n/t CincyDem Sep 2024 #7
Yes. TurboDem Sep 2024 #10
We're gonna see video. Scenes from the ground with the Washington monument in the foreground, plane passing in slo-mo. CincyDem Sep 2024 #13
Make him look presidential? BWdem4life Sep 2024 #69
That's what I think. yardwork Sep 2024 #18
If this checks out, it's a BFD EYESORE 9001 Sep 2024 #8
Oh they'll ignore it durablend Sep 2024 #12
set the public up et tu Sep 2024 #14
I have flown this departure several hundred times. mn9driver Sep 2024 #15
This never, ever happens. It was no accident. yardwork Sep 2024 #19
This is my work space. It happens. mn9driver Sep 2024 #20
I respect your expertise and apologize if I sounded dismissive. yardwork Sep 2024 #22
Yes, it was. See #15. Ocelot II Sep 2024 #40
Thanks BradBo Sep 2024 #30
I'd be curious zipplewrath Sep 2024 #34
People in neighborhoods around DCA have been complaining about this for years. yellowcanine Sep 2024 #35
Yep Aviation Pro Sep 2024 #43
You guess correctly :) mn9driver Sep 2024 #49
I just got moved to Airbus sustainment at my training organization Aviation Pro Sep 2024 #50
We ran late, but one of the trucks hung around to give me half a salute mn9driver Sep 2024 #59
time to clip his wings DoBW Sep 2024 #21
I'm wondering if this is related to the motorcade nitpicked Sep 2024 #25
The pilot and co pilot are probably veteran MAGA losers and don't care. They did it intentionally. BradBo Sep 2024 #26
The rules DO NOT APPLY TO US crowd. They are demonstrating how they will behave if elected. Dear God save us from...... usaf-vet Sep 2024 #27
Hillbilly Air DoBW Sep 2024 #31
You mean he didn't buzz Arlington too? Sneederbunk Sep 2024 #32
Inadvertently? Autumn Sep 2024 #33
Another episode of gqp gaslighting, expect these incidents to become more frequent Clouds Passing Sep 2024 #38
I thought any planes slightlv Sep 2024 #46
VASAviation, audio from the Control Tower mockmonkey Sep 2024 #47
Did JD order the sewage holding tanks to be dumped over the National Mall? Blue Owl Sep 2024 #51
I wonder if the FAA is going to order the Aviation Pro Sep 2024 #52
A pilot near retirement may not care about the FAA reaction getagrip_already Sep 2024 #53
Another campaign photo op. NameAlreadyTaken Sep 2024 #56
'Inadvertently', B.S. says my pet rock. republianmushroom Sep 2024 #57
Some people you do not want to pilot for. Such as the head of Wagner Group. keithbvadu2 Sep 2024 #64
Looks like that flight crew are going to go through some things soon. MineralMan Sep 2024 #65
Expect crisp professionally-shot video. Girard442 Sep 2024 #66
Why weren't jets scrambled after it? Sogo Sep 2024 #67
Maybe JD belongs on the no-fly list struggle4progress Sep 2024 #68
I don't think it was likely intentional, BlueKota Sep 2024 #72
Where's the Secret Service with their Stinger missiles? LudwigPastorius Sep 2024 #73
inadvertently Skittles Sep 2024 #76
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