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zipplewrath

(16,694 posts)
36. The fatal flaw in the Constitution
Mon Sep 9, 2024, 07:08 PM
Sep 2024

When the "small" states were given out sized representation in the Senate, there were 13 states with Virginia (due to slaves) being the largest and Rhode Island as the smallest. There was no way for a collection of "small" states to control the senate, much less the EC. But as we created new states, mostly to defend the existence of slavery, we created so many "small" states, they could control the Senate. And then as we created new states, the size of the House expended to extensively that we decided that "small" states could have a minimum of 1 congress critter, but large states would be limited such that the small states had an out sized representation in the House as well, and therefor the EC.

This was never the intention of the Constitution. It came about because of other changes to the Federal Government that we ended up here. Today, the GOP controls just under 50% of the senate despite really only representing about 30% of the population. In 2040 it is anticipated that 70% of the population will live in just 15 states. Which means that the senate, and to a great degree the House and the EC will be controlled by 30% of the population. A country that is controlled by 30% of the population will not be a country "Of, by and for the people" but in fact will end up as a government that serves the minority, over the interests of the majority. This is the makings of a revolution, and a violent one at that.

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Does anyone actually defend the EC? Who? maxsolomon Sep 2024 #1
There are, in fact, EC defenders dpibel Sep 2024 #4
Defenders or cynics? maxsolomon Sep 2024 #11
Serious defenders dpibel Sep 2024 #33
You are right My Friend BOSSHOG Sep 2024 #38
They exist. Yavin4 Sep 2024 #6
I used to defend the EC as being the last bulwark against the election of a despotic rabble rouser, thesquanderer Sep 2024 #35
Dukakis stopped at an airport in ND fargone Sep 2024 #2
The EC isn't going anywhere soon. Kaleva Sep 2024 #3
There will be the second Texas votes blue in a presidential election bbrady42 Sep 2024 #7
At some point soon, the Democratic party is going to have to take on the issue. Yavin4 Sep 2024 #8
Exactly. Republicans would have to get absolutely wiped out in order to repeal the electoral college. D23MIURG23 Sep 2024 #50
Maybe 2008 Polybius Sep 2024 #57
That's true, there are still way too many republicans in Congress. Think. Again. Sep 2024 #13
There's support to eliminate the EC but not enough to overcome opposition to that Kaleva Sep 2024 #43
Yes, there are too many republicans in Congress, they would never give up their unfair electoral advantage. Think. Again. Sep 2024 #45
I live in Texas and no one campaigns here anymore MagickMuffin Sep 2024 #5
The majority of eligible Texans do vote. former9thward Sep 2024 #22
How many are not registered to vote. Maybe they think thee's no point in it. SharonAnn Sep 2024 #41
I don't know but one can say that about any state. former9thward Sep 2024 #48
30 million people live in Texas so about 12 million aren't registered. n/t D23MIURG23 Sep 2024 #51
Clinton Rebl2 Sep 2024 #9
During their primaries? Yavin4 Sep 2024 #14
During the presidential campaign Rebl2 Sep 2024 #44
He was in Kansas City October 2008 Lulu KC Sep 2024 #64
39 in 2008, 12 in 2016, 1 in 2020 TheProle Sep 2024 #10
So 9 states had None. Six states had just one. Just three states had more than one event in 2008. Yavin4 Sep 2024 #18
Okay TheProle Sep 2024 #21
It's vindication bc the most visits by presidential campaigns happened 16 years ago. Yavin4 Sep 2024 #23
IMO, small states get an equal voice anciano Sep 2024 #12
Bingo. Think. Again. Sep 2024 #16
Absolutely! SheltieLover Sep 2024 #27
The Electoral College only effects the Presidential race.... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #15
Fix the House size Jerry2144 Sep 2024 #17
Exactly, if this is done Bettie Sep 2024 #24
Inexact house representation is not the biggest problem. It's the adding in the senate seats unblock Sep 2024 #53
But that takes a Constitution change Jerry2144 Sep 2024 #55
Fair point. Though it has similar political challenges. unblock Sep 2024 #59
I like the idea of Jerry2144 Sep 2024 #62
Small states is a euphemism for Slave States NNguyenMD Sep 2024 #19
At this point, the states that have the most out-sized power in the electoral college are not former confederate states. TomSlick Sep 2024 #40
Not exactly. ShazzieB Sep 2024 #46
Small states already have a disproportionately LOUD voice in the Senate Martin Eden Sep 2024 #20
How are Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, and maybe sometimes/used to be Florida and Ohio TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #25
Maybe someone needs to work on a constitutional amendment MichMan Sep 2024 #26
A heavy lift but it needs to be done. paleotn Sep 2024 #30
Try Vermont. Candidates never, ever come here. Obvious reasons but still. paleotn Sep 2024 #28
They sometimes show up in California, but Retrograde Sep 2024 #54
At the time of the Founding, J_William_Ryan Sep 2024 #29
Agreed. And the House districts of 775,000 IIRC, no matter what state... brush Sep 2024 #31
Those same small red states oldmanlynn Sep 2024 #32
I bet Cherokee100 Sep 2024 #34
The fatal flaw in the Constitution zipplewrath Sep 2024 #36
The EC is way out of line now moose65 Sep 2024 #37
Try KS! They don't call it "flyover" country for nothing! slightlv Sep 2024 #39
Electoral College, should get the boot the first year President Harris republianmushroom Sep 2024 #42
Presidents have no say iin whether there is an Electoral College or not. Locutusofborg Sep 2024 #47
A state is not a person AncientOfDays Sep 2024 #49
Step back JustAnotherGen Sep 2024 #52
It is forefathers trick kansasobama Sep 2024 #56
GE candidates have seriously campaigned in Indiana, Missouri, and New Mexico Renew Deal Sep 2024 #58
I will never understand why, in this electronic age, politicians need to go to each travelingthrulife Sep 2024 #60
One person, one vote. The United States should try it some time instead of giving votes to empty acreage. Ping Tung Sep 2024 #61
The Electoral College is bullshit. Not ONE other country has anything like it. hawkeye21 Sep 2024 #63
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