Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Disaffected

(5,255 posts)
118. That's not sufficient to explain
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 01:46 PM
Sep 2024

the rapid series of detonations - the detonations would almost certainly be more spread out if a manufacturing defect was at fault.

As well, as pointed out by others here, lithium batteries do not typically "explode" when they fail, rather they smolder and/or burst into flame.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

THAT IS AWESOME (nt) Darwins_Retriever Sep 2024 #1
Next they go after their fax machines and Blackberries. Sneederbunk Sep 2024 #103
Turns out, you weren't that far off! Walkie-talkies for the win. nt Maru Kitteh Sep 2024 #246
Kids and pets got hurt. JackSabbath Sep 2024 #109
Or might as well let them blow up Israelis, because that's really their raison d'etre elias7 Sep 2024 #142
Oh noes! Not the kids! Not the pets! Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #182
Really? 3Hotdogs Sep 2024 #213
Similar to plot line of Kingsman movie? Bmoboy Sep 2024 #2
Note to self: Don't put my pager or cell phone in my front pants pocket. 🔥 🌰🌰 🔥 TheBlackAdder Sep 2024 #129
I'm in trouble already.... sdfernando Sep 2024 #203
And remarkably resembling the just leaked Mossad tapes of the operation. Rockets and all: Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #184
They are blowing them up with the space lasers, of course sarisataka Sep 2024 #3
Nope. It's not targeting civilians. However, Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon. haele Sep 2024 #12
We already have people defending Hezbollah and saying this is a war crime sarisataka Sep 2024 #14
Certain folks sure do seem to get upset when Israel gets in the way of their Hezbollah/Hamas buddies.... tritsofme Sep 2024 #23
That's because most people who don't know average people from that area think black and white. haele Sep 2024 #61
Thanks, Haele. Very interesting, and substantive. Hekate Sep 2024 #53
More info coming in jmbar2 Sep 2024 #63
Hezbollah has been part of the lebanese government since 1992. Mosby Sep 2024 #72
The question is: does the government of the sovereign state of lebanon have Hezbollah's permission Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #185
Duh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #41
Pretty brilliant... jmbar2 Sep 2024 #4
They weren't targeted to just "bad guys" onandup Sep 2024 #13
That's on Hizbollah BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #46
And whose fault would that be? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #106
Israel is responsible, as far as we know onandup Sep 2024 #116
Israel is responsible? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #121
"as far as we know" onandup Sep 2024 #132
As far as who knows? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #134
What happens when someone initiates a war? Israel did not initiate this war. When Germany... Hekate Sep 2024 #165
No one is credibly threatening the existence of Israel. onandup Sep 2024 #204
But they are firing rockets that hit Israeli schools thucythucy Sep 2024 #206
Alas, that is exactly what the slogan "From the river to the sea" means. It means to do what was done in 1492... Hekate Sep 2024 #207
It has different meanings, depending on the speaker and context onandup Sep 2024 #210
No, it does not, unless a person is one of those idiot US protestors who doesn't know what company they keep Hekate Sep 2024 #212
Rashida Tlaib considers it an aspirational call onandup Sep 2024 #218
Nice. But in this case, Rashida is blowing smoke. Hekate Sep 2024 #219
Bibi's Likud party has it's own version onandup Sep 2024 #220
Change the goalposts Hekate Sep 2024 #221
I notice you never answered my question. thucythucy Sep 2024 #229
I don't subscribe to your framing every Israeli action as "defending" itself onandup Sep 2024 #243
You are indeed misunderstanding. No, not every action taken by Israel is automatically justified in my mind. thucythucy Sep 2024 #244
Simply put onandup Sep 2024 #245
Oh, FFS. How much more targeted can you get than the specific personal pagers wnylib Sep 2024 #216
Source, please? Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #189
Yeah, how cool would it be if.... JackSabbath Sep 2024 #120
And I'm guessing you live in a country with oceans on 2 sides, Canada to the North and Mexico to the South elias7 Sep 2024 #145
What kind of incompetent terrorist would leave his Nasrallah issued pager in a child's room? Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #196
But doctors & nurses were injured too womanofthehills Sep 2024 #135
It wasn't the Ukrainian Amb., MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #138
Excellent question sarisataka Sep 2024 #149
Don't think I'll take that bet, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #157
Narrator: "It went unanswered." notroot Sep 2024 #179
Are you going to correct this false info? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #150
Narrator: "They were not going to correct the false info." notroot Sep 2024 #180
I found this. Moosepoop Sep 2024 #5
I thought the lithium but I remembered the pager I used to carry ran about 3 months on a AAA battery LiberalArkie Sep 2024 #6
The battery as the explosive is extremely unlikely when comparing against the videos coming out Amishman Sep 2024 #10
Completely Agree ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #16
Well, that's not really true. It depends on the sheathing... mikelewis Sep 2024 #18
Even with a casing - using the battery like a pipe bomb - you'd still have pyrotechnics Amishman Sep 2024 #34
Oh... I don't remotely think Israel is behind this at all... mikelewis Sep 2024 #74
"less conspiratorial" JoseBalow Sep 2024 #77
Or a donation from Iran or Russia more likely. mikelewis Sep 2024 #83
They're using pagers because Israel has already hacked their cell phones. marybourg Sep 2024 #78
Merci Mme. Defarge Sep 2024 #31
8 dead 2,750 injured rollin74 Sep 2024 #7
Note to self HAB911 Sep 2024 #8
Yes... a cell phone battery can explode in the same manner. It's not likely but they can... mikelewis Sep 2024 #21
If Israel can do pagers HAB911 Sep 2024 #25
That's really a big if... while a clandestine attack like that is movie quality... mikelewis Sep 2024 #30
Theoretically... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #84
You betcha, says the techie across the breakfast table from me... Hekate Sep 2024 #91
Yes, I'm afraid when and if it hits the fan HAB911 Sep 2024 #99
. TheProle Sep 2024 #9
8 dead 2800 injured Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #11
There are rules of War concerning blowing up pagers? EX500rider Sep 2024 #81
Which has killed more nearby civilians? Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #89
I think you'll find most people have no problem with giving exploding pagers to terrorists EX500rider Sep 2024 #92
So you don't think it's okay to supply exploding pagers to terrorists which is what they did? EX500rider Sep 2024 #144
Israel (and seemingly no one else either) never ratified the Safe Pagers for Terrorists TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #169
According to whom? Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #194
This could be a prelude to a larger operation. Mosby Sep 2024 #15
Disrupting the enemy C3 is a good way to start an operation sarisataka Sep 2024 #17
It may also be the cell phone companies ensuring that pagers never rise again... you just never know... mikelewis Sep 2024 #35
Is this satire? JoseBalow Sep 2024 #87
No... it's just I saw no reason to immediately assume Israel was behind the attack... mikelewis Sep 2024 #97
It is likely retaliation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #50
Is that an exploding pager in your pants or are you just happy to see me? PeaceWave Sep 2024 #19
This was a terror attack Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #20
Are terrorists civilians sarisataka Sep 2024 #22
Women and children were killed and maimed. Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #26
Since Hezbollah is already firing rockets sarisataka Sep 2024 #27
I guess freedom fighters are civilians and can't commit war crimes. nt LexVegas Sep 2024 #28
You think school children are legit targets for either side? Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #29
What fraction? former9thward Sep 2024 #39
Of course school children are not legitimate targets sarisataka Sep 2024 #43
Horseshit Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #71
I did not claim you hold that position sarisataka Sep 2024 #94
They get proportional attention Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #100
Right, but don't forget that Israel has no beef with Lebanon. This is all on them. elias7 Sep 2024 #146
Proportional, that is a word sarisataka Sep 2024 #154
Are you waiting for the freedom fighters to verify the numbers? nt LexVegas Sep 2024 #44
There are no freedom fighters Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #55
"There are no freedom fighters"...So Hezbollah is a gardening club? Coventina Sep 2024 #60
Hezbollah is a terorist organization Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #66
GMAFB Coventina Sep 2024 #70
You seem to know more about this than anyone newdeal2 Sep 2024 #62
Do you have a link to support that claim? sarisataka Sep 2024 #98
I am confused. Are you saying ISRAELIS "distributed boxes of pagers" ? Did you miss the part... Hekate Sep 2024 #171
And do you think the terrorists will tell you how many terrorists die compared to civilians? EX500rider Sep 2024 #85
Really? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #110
What utter bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #190
They were encrypted pagers used by Hezbollah Mosby Sep 2024 #37
Heh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #52
Given the number of Hezbollah agents maimed Amishman Sep 2024 #166
It was a counter-terror operation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #51
Precisely targeting the communications network of an opposing militia is not a terror attack. mathematic Sep 2024 #147
They better check the fax machines now newdeal2 Sep 2024 #24
And then Walkman and MP3 players Otto_Harper Sep 2024 #101
Terrorists officially terrorized. Brilliant. Bonx Sep 2024 #32
Pager blasts also reported now in Syria DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #33
Seriously... it could just a major run of poorly engineered lithium batteries... mikelewis Sep 2024 #42
Why would they all fail at the same time? Mosby Sep 2024 #47
Physics... mikelewis Sep 2024 #58
Which cannot and will not Otto_Harper Sep 2024 #105
That's not sufficient to explain Disaffected Sep 2024 #118
They all exploded simultaneously Mosby Sep 2024 #137
Absolutely, I have inside information Otto_Harper Sep 2024 #224
With the information at this time, it would appear not. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #239
Hezbollah bought a new batch of pagers 3 months ago. Mosby Sep 2024 #45
The evidence so far suggests that Hezbollah weren't the only ones DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #57
The evidence so far suggests they were. Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #199
Your source for this information? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #186
Obviously those were allies of Hezbollah EX500rider Sep 2024 #230
Seems to me that very little is obvious in war, DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #238
Despite the boo hooing from people who hate Israel BannonsLiver Sep 2024 #36
In other news, people still use pagers... Shipwack Sep 2024 #38
Well... think about it... mikelewis Sep 2024 #48
They thought they could be stealthier with low-tech -nt Bonx Sep 2024 #49
Pagers may not have GPS built in like cell phones Bmoboy Sep 2024 #54
No two way messages to intercept and read hack89 Sep 2024 #79
Absolutely beautiful BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #40
Novel approach misanthrope Sep 2024 #56
Does this date have any significance to anyone in the region? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #59
Hard to hide that you belong to the terrorist group if you have an exploding pager. Bev54 Sep 2024 #64
Great job de-escalating things Joe TheRealNorth Sep 2024 #65
What does Joe have to do with this? newdeal2 Sep 2024 #68
Don't you know? He's the King of the Middle East! Coventina Sep 2024 #73
Wanna hear something crazy... mikelewis Sep 2024 #80
Joe? mcar Sep 2024 #75
You really think a lot of civilians are using encrypted Hezbollah pagers? EX500rider Sep 2024 #88
A gratuitous and nonsense pot-shot at a Democratic president? Shocking! tritsofme Sep 2024 #90
It's Biden's fault? sarisataka Sep 2024 #102
This might make you feel better BannonsLiver Sep 2024 #111
What? Hekate Sep 2024 #175
Stuxnet redux? Brother Buzz Sep 2024 #67
Yeah, I had a similar reaction. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #86
Taiwan i read EX500rider Sep 2024 #231
They are a major chip manufacturer Brother Buzz Sep 2024 #233
What if someone had been in a plane? Or driving? nolabear Sep 2024 #69
You should have your pager off while flying. n/t Coventina Sep 2024 #95
Has Trump taken credit for this yet? RussBLib Sep 2024 #76
He showed Abdul a photo of his pager newdeal2 Sep 2024 #82
Ok... so this is interesting. Apparently the pagers were pinged just before exploding... that changes things... mikelewis Sep 2024 #93
Eliminating terrorist is a "dirty deed"? TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #187
Not only off the rails, but over the cliff also. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #191
If only there was some way to make nuclear centrifuges Arne Sep 2024 #96
Well here's hoping Hezbollah never sends members here FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #104
Please provide the link to the rule of war that says enemy communications are an illegitimate target. Coventina Sep 2024 #108
Sure, like I said, any civilian anywhere as policy? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #122
Please provide the link that states attacks on communications are illegal. Coventina Sep 2024 #124
How many civilians were actually killed? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #125
I don't understand your question FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #128
..... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #131
I'll have to look, I thought it was reported everywhere FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #152
Looks like someone else found a source FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #155
My opinion would be that those deaths would be on the terrorist org., Hizbollah, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #156
I understand no one has taken credit for blowing up the pagers FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #223
You don't know crap about waging war do you? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #114
I don't know crap about waging war? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #127
Thanks for proving my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #130
No, it is Not FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #140
Again, you proved my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #141
Well then 'splain it to me what who says he's a FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #160
.... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #162
I think you don't have an answer FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #167
I think you are ignorant past belief if you don't recognize that DU's veterans have knowledge & experience... Hekate Sep 2024 #178
I AM a DU veteran FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #226
Welcome to DU, my apologies for neglecting to extend that before sarisataka Sep 2024 #168
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #172
I will try to be respectful FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #174
So just out of curiosity, what did your decade of Air Force experience involve that meant you... Hekate Sep 2024 #205
Well, I learned that after WW2 there was a trial FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #232
I may disagree with you on this issue, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #247
I appreciate that, right back at ya FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #248
Thank you MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #249
I think you're right FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #250
Attacking an enemy's communications systems is not at all debatable, sarisataka Sep 2024 #158
Great question. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #163
The more I read this poster in this thread... Hekate Sep 2024 #192
Or you could simply ask FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #235
It sounds like it's okay if it's only a few civilians maybe? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #170
You didn't answer my question why you are drastically inflating numbers sarisataka Sep 2024 #173
And so far We're Geting Crickets from your excellent Cha Sep 2024 #202
Sorry I missed this one FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #236
There are no Hezbollah members in America ?? Israeli Sep 2024 #143
Are you an acceptable target if you get on a plane with one FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #164
This operation was as closely targeted as it is possible to be. And as has been pointed out... Hekate Sep 2024 #195
But they are not in a declared war are they? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #237
You do realize Hezbollah has been actively attacking Israel since October 8, don't you? elias7 Sep 2024 #240
Three or four people in this thread don't know it & don't believe it regardless Hekate Sep 2024 #241
Mischaracterizing the situation isn't helpful FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #242
Way to completely misunderstand the whole discussion Hekate Sep 2024 #177
Pro terrorist accounts all over social media melting over this. Ace Rothstein Sep 2024 #107
There are a couple of devices in there that explode. Arne Sep 2024 #112
How is this different than setting land mines? JackSabbath Sep 2024 #113
oh please Coventina Sep 2024 #115
Well then I guess most of us on this thread are going to hell because most of us support MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #117
I wish it was as simple as killing terrorists FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #136
I wish this was as simple as not pretending to be deliberately obtuse Hekate Sep 2024 #209
I don't think I'm being obtuse FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #222
lol BannonsLiver Sep 2024 #119
How is a raven like a writing desk? sarisataka Sep 2024 #159
He'll what? LOL. notroot Sep 2024 #181
And the kid(s) that died? asm128 Sep 2024 #211
Oh goody, block us all. I will not block you, however, as I am sure your progress here will be full of incident. Hekate Sep 2024 #215
That's right... Hezbollah recently killed some children with one of the 100s of rocket attacks on Israel. notroot Sep 2024 #217
How is this different from being deliberately obtuse? Hekate Sep 2024 #208
...... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #123
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Israeli Sep 2024 #151
All at the same time, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #153
Do you think Office Depot would accept returns? RandySF Sep 2024 #126
Now it's - injured thousands including doctors & nurses womanofthehills Sep 2024 #133
Link? sarisataka Sep 2024 #161
Maybe those poor "doctors" and "nurses" shouldn't be carrying TERRORIST pagers? notroot Sep 2024 #183
And kittens. Why would a pager-carrying terrorist be in a hospital unless it had already gone off? Hekate Sep 2024 #214
As has been proven, just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you're not a terrorist too. Coventina Sep 2024 #228
#1 reason not to hide a pager up inside your ass. Kaleva Sep 2024 #139
Ouch underpants Sep 2024 #148
According to Sky News Arabic Mosby Sep 2024 #176
Gotta hand it to whoever thought this up, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #188
I didn't even know that you could still buy pagers anymore--- Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #193
This one seems a little morally sus Calculating Sep 2024 #197
Then they shouldn't have been terrorists. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #198
Pagers should be turned off in flight. These pagers were purchased by the terrorists themselves. Coventina Sep 2024 #227
Have you considered other countries may use pay phones more than the US? sarisataka Sep 2024 #200
So noted. Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #201
Ironically, pagers are a Jewish invention Bad Thoughts Sep 2024 #234
Quite ingenious. I fully support Israel's aim to combat terrorism. Tarc Sep 2024 #225
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Exploding pagers injure h...»Reply #118