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FullySupportDems

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226. I AM a DU veteran

Tue Sep 17, 2024, 09:00 PM

Sep 2024

If calling attention to someone's self identification in a slightly chiding manner is disrespectful, I guess I'm sorry. But since when were vets so thin skinned? I'm not. I'm not name calling or attacking the messenger

I'm really looking for an answer. How is it okay to basically plan on civilian injuries when planning a military operation? It was not accidental. It was not unavoidable. So if it is claimed by Israel, or any other country, I am saying it was wrong.

I'm also wondering, is Israel officially at war with Lebanon? Maybe I just don't understand this. I guess anyone in the country is a legitimate target if they're at war. It's not like there are any rules about that.

Nope, you're right. I am definitely ignorant past believing.

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Exploding pagers injure hundreds in attack targeting Hezbollah members, Lebanese security source says [View all] LiberalArkie Sep 2024 OP

THAT IS AWESOME (nt) Darwins_Retriever Sep 2024 #1

Next they go after their fax machines and Blackberries. Sneederbunk Sep 2024 #103

Turns out, you weren't that far off! Walkie-talkies for the win. nt Maru Kitteh Sep 2024 #246

Kids and pets got hurt. JackSabbath Sep 2024 #109

Or might as well let them blow up Israelis, because that's really their raison d'etre elias7 Sep 2024 #142

Oh noes! Not the kids! Not the pets! Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #182

Really? 3Hotdogs Sep 2024 #213

Similar to plot line of Kingsman movie? Bmoboy Sep 2024 #2

Note to self: Don't put my pager or cell phone in my front pants pocket. 🔥 🌰🌰 🔥 TheBlackAdder Sep 2024 #129

I'm in trouble already.... sdfernando Sep 2024 #203

And remarkably resembling the just leaked Mossad tapes of the operation. Rockets and all: Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #184

They are blowing them up with the space lasers, of course sarisataka Sep 2024 #3

Nope. It's not targeting civilians. However, Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon. haele Sep 2024 #12

We already have people defending Hezbollah and saying this is a war crime sarisataka Sep 2024 #14

Certain folks sure do seem to get upset when Israel gets in the way of their Hezbollah/Hamas buddies.... tritsofme Sep 2024 #23

That's because most people who don't know average people from that area think black and white. haele Sep 2024 #61

Thanks, Haele. Very interesting, and substantive. Hekate Sep 2024 #53

More info coming in jmbar2 Sep 2024 #63

Hezbollah has been part of the lebanese government since 1992. Mosby Sep 2024 #72

The question is: does the government of the sovereign state of lebanon have Hezbollah's permission Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #185

Duh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #41

Pretty brilliant... jmbar2 Sep 2024 #4

They weren't targeted to just "bad guys" onandup Sep 2024 #13

That's on Hizbollah BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #46

And whose fault would that be? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #106

Israel is responsible, as far as we know onandup Sep 2024 #116

Israel is responsible? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #121

"as far as we know" onandup Sep 2024 #132

As far as who knows? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #134

What happens when someone initiates a war? Israel did not initiate this war. When Germany... Hekate Sep 2024 #165

No one is credibly threatening the existence of Israel. onandup Sep 2024 #204

But they are firing rockets that hit Israeli schools thucythucy Sep 2024 #206

Alas, that is exactly what the slogan "From the river to the sea" means. It means to do what was done in 1492... Hekate Sep 2024 #207

It has different meanings, depending on the speaker and context onandup Sep 2024 #210

No, it does not, unless a person is one of those idiot US protestors who doesn't know what company they keep Hekate Sep 2024 #212

Rashida Tlaib considers it an aspirational call onandup Sep 2024 #218

Nice. But in this case, Rashida is blowing smoke. Hekate Sep 2024 #219

Bibi's Likud party has it's own version onandup Sep 2024 #220

Change the goalposts Hekate Sep 2024 #221

I notice you never answered my question. thucythucy Sep 2024 #229

I don't subscribe to your framing every Israeli action as "defending" itself onandup Sep 2024 #243

You are indeed misunderstanding. No, not every action taken by Israel is automatically justified in my mind. thucythucy Sep 2024 #244

Simply put onandup Sep 2024 #245

Oh, FFS. How much more targeted can you get than the specific personal pagers wnylib Sep 2024 #216

Source, please? Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #189

Yeah, how cool would it be if.... JackSabbath Sep 2024 #120

And I'm guessing you live in a country with oceans on 2 sides, Canada to the North and Mexico to the South elias7 Sep 2024 #145

What kind of incompetent terrorist would leave his Nasrallah issued pager in a child's room? Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #196

But doctors & nurses were injured too womanofthehills Sep 2024 #135

It wasn't the Ukrainian Amb., MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #138

Excellent question sarisataka Sep 2024 #149

Don't think I'll take that bet, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #157

Narrator: "It went unanswered." notroot Sep 2024 #179

Are you going to correct this false info? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #150

Narrator: "They were not going to correct the false info." notroot Sep 2024 #180

I found this. Moosepoop Sep 2024 #5

I thought the lithium but I remembered the pager I used to carry ran about 3 months on a AAA battery LiberalArkie Sep 2024 #6

The battery as the explosive is extremely unlikely when comparing against the videos coming out Amishman Sep 2024 #10

Completely Agree ProfessorGAC Sep 2024 #16

Well, that's not really true. It depends on the sheathing... mikelewis Sep 2024 #18

Even with a casing - using the battery like a pipe bomb - you'd still have pyrotechnics Amishman Sep 2024 #34

Oh... I don't remotely think Israel is behind this at all... mikelewis Sep 2024 #74

"less conspiratorial" JoseBalow Sep 2024 #77

Or a donation from Iran or Russia more likely. mikelewis Sep 2024 #83

They're using pagers because Israel has already hacked their cell phones. marybourg Sep 2024 #78

Merci Mme. Defarge Sep 2024 #31

8 dead 2,750 injured rollin74 Sep 2024 #7

Note to self HAB911 Sep 2024 #8

Yes... a cell phone battery can explode in the same manner. It's not likely but they can... mikelewis Sep 2024 #21

If Israel can do pagers HAB911 Sep 2024 #25

That's really a big if... while a clandestine attack like that is movie quality... mikelewis Sep 2024 #30

Theoretically... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #84

You betcha, says the techie across the breakfast table from me... Hekate Sep 2024 #91

Yes, I'm afraid when and if it hits the fan HAB911 Sep 2024 #99

. TheProle Sep 2024 #9

8 dead 2800 injured Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #11

There are rules of War concerning blowing up pagers? EX500rider Sep 2024 #81

Which has killed more nearby civilians? Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #89

I think you'll find most people have no problem with giving exploding pagers to terrorists EX500rider Sep 2024 #92

So you don't think it's okay to supply exploding pagers to terrorists which is what they did? EX500rider Sep 2024 #144

Israel (and seemingly no one else either) never ratified the Safe Pagers for Terrorists TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #169

According to whom? Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #194

This could be a prelude to a larger operation. Mosby Sep 2024 #15

Disrupting the enemy C3 is a good way to start an operation sarisataka Sep 2024 #17

It may also be the cell phone companies ensuring that pagers never rise again... you just never know... mikelewis Sep 2024 #35

Is this satire? JoseBalow Sep 2024 #87

No... it's just I saw no reason to immediately assume Israel was behind the attack... mikelewis Sep 2024 #97

It is likely retaliation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #50

Is that an exploding pager in your pants or are you just happy to see me? PeaceWave Sep 2024 #19

This was a terror attack Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #20

Are terrorists civilians sarisataka Sep 2024 #22

Women and children were killed and maimed. Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #26

Since Hezbollah is already firing rockets sarisataka Sep 2024 #27

I guess freedom fighters are civilians and can't commit war crimes. nt LexVegas Sep 2024 #28

You think school children are legit targets for either side? Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #29

What fraction? former9thward Sep 2024 #39

Of course school children are not legitimate targets sarisataka Sep 2024 #43

Horseshit Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #71

I did not claim you hold that position sarisataka Sep 2024 #94

They get proportional attention Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #100

Right, but don't forget that Israel has no beef with Lebanon. This is all on them. elias7 Sep 2024 #146

Proportional, that is a word sarisataka Sep 2024 #154

Are you waiting for the freedom fighters to verify the numbers? nt LexVegas Sep 2024 #44

There are no freedom fighters Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #55

"There are no freedom fighters"...So Hezbollah is a gardening club? Coventina Sep 2024 #60

Hezbollah is a terorist organization Johnny2X2X Sep 2024 #66

GMAFB Coventina Sep 2024 #70

You seem to know more about this than anyone newdeal2 Sep 2024 #62

Do you have a link to support that claim? sarisataka Sep 2024 #98

I am confused. Are you saying ISRAELIS "distributed boxes of pagers" ? Did you miss the part... Hekate Sep 2024 #171

And do you think the terrorists will tell you how many terrorists die compared to civilians? EX500rider Sep 2024 #85

Really? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #110

What utter bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #190

They were encrypted pagers used by Hezbollah Mosby Sep 2024 #37

Heh BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #52

Given the number of Hezbollah agents maimed Amishman Sep 2024 #166

It was a counter-terror operation BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #51

Precisely targeting the communications network of an opposing militia is not a terror attack. mathematic Sep 2024 #147

They better check the fax machines now newdeal2 Sep 2024 #24

And then Walkman and MP3 players Otto_Harper Sep 2024 #101

Terrorists officially terrorized. Brilliant. Bonx Sep 2024 #32

Pager blasts also reported now in Syria DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #33

Seriously... it could just a major run of poorly engineered lithium batteries... mikelewis Sep 2024 #42

Why would they all fail at the same time? Mosby Sep 2024 #47

Physics... mikelewis Sep 2024 #58

Which cannot and will not Otto_Harper Sep 2024 #105

That's not sufficient to explain Disaffected Sep 2024 #118

They all exploded simultaneously Mosby Sep 2024 #137

Absolutely, I have inside information Otto_Harper Sep 2024 #224

With the information at this time, it would appear not. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #239

Hezbollah bought a new batch of pagers 3 months ago. Mosby Sep 2024 #45

The evidence so far suggests that Hezbollah weren't the only ones DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #57

The evidence so far suggests they were. Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #199

Your source for this information? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #186

Obviously those were allies of Hezbollah EX500rider Sep 2024 #230

Seems to me that very little is obvious in war, DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #238

Despite the boo hooing from people who hate Israel BannonsLiver Sep 2024 #36

In other news, people still use pagers... Shipwack Sep 2024 #38

Well... think about it... mikelewis Sep 2024 #48

They thought they could be stealthier with low-tech -nt Bonx Sep 2024 #49

Pagers may not have GPS built in like cell phones Bmoboy Sep 2024 #54

No two way messages to intercept and read hack89 Sep 2024 #79

Absolutely beautiful BrianTheEVGuy Sep 2024 #40

Novel approach misanthrope Sep 2024 #56

Does this date have any significance to anyone in the region? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #59

Hard to hide that you belong to the terrorist group if you have an exploding pager. Bev54 Sep 2024 #64

Great job de-escalating things Joe TheRealNorth Sep 2024 #65

What does Joe have to do with this? newdeal2 Sep 2024 #68

Don't you know? He's the King of the Middle East! Coventina Sep 2024 #73

Wanna hear something crazy... mikelewis Sep 2024 #80

Joe? mcar Sep 2024 #75

You really think a lot of civilians are using encrypted Hezbollah pagers? EX500rider Sep 2024 #88

A gratuitous and nonsense pot-shot at a Democratic president? Shocking! tritsofme Sep 2024 #90

It's Biden's fault? sarisataka Sep 2024 #102

This might make you feel better BannonsLiver Sep 2024 #111

What? Hekate Sep 2024 #175

Stuxnet redux? Brother Buzz Sep 2024 #67

Yeah, I had a similar reaction. DJ Synikus Makisimus Sep 2024 #86

Taiwan i read EX500rider Sep 2024 #231

They are a major chip manufacturer Brother Buzz Sep 2024 #233

What if someone had been in a plane? Or driving? nolabear Sep 2024 #69

You should have your pager off while flying. n/t Coventina Sep 2024 #95

Has Trump taken credit for this yet? RussBLib Sep 2024 #76

He showed Abdul a photo of his pager newdeal2 Sep 2024 #82

Ok... so this is interesting. Apparently the pagers were pinged just before exploding... that changes things... mikelewis Sep 2024 #93

Eliminating terrorist is a "dirty deed"? TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #187

Not only off the rails, but over the cliff also. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #191

If only there was some way to make nuclear centrifuges Arne Sep 2024 #96

Well here's hoping Hezbollah never sends members here FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #104

Please provide the link to the rule of war that says enemy communications are an illegitimate target. Coventina Sep 2024 #108

Sure, like I said, any civilian anywhere as policy? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #122

Please provide the link that states attacks on communications are illegal. Coventina Sep 2024 #124

How many civilians were actually killed? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #125

I don't understand your question FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #128

..... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #131

I'll have to look, I thought it was reported everywhere FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #152

Looks like someone else found a source FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #155

My opinion would be that those deaths would be on the terrorist org., Hizbollah, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #156

I understand no one has taken credit for blowing up the pagers FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #223

You don't know crap about waging war do you? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #114

I don't know crap about waging war? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #127

Thanks for proving my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #130

No, it is Not FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #140

Again, you proved my point. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #141

Well then 'splain it to me what who says he's a FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #160

.... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #162

I think you don't have an answer FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #167

I think you are ignorant past belief if you don't recognize that DU's veterans have knowledge & experience... Hekate Sep 2024 #178

I AM a DU veteran FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #226

Welcome to DU, my apologies for neglecting to extend that before sarisataka Sep 2024 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #172

I will try to be respectful FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #174

So just out of curiosity, what did your decade of Air Force experience involve that meant you... Hekate Sep 2024 #205

Well, I learned that after WW2 there was a trial FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #232

I may disagree with you on this issue, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #247

I appreciate that, right back at ya FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #248

Thank you MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #249

I think you're right FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #250

Attacking an enemy's communications systems is not at all debatable, sarisataka Sep 2024 #158

Great question. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #163

The more I read this poster in this thread... Hekate Sep 2024 #192

Or you could simply ask FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #235

It sounds like it's okay if it's only a few civilians maybe? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #170

You didn't answer my question why you are drastically inflating numbers sarisataka Sep 2024 #173

And so far We're Geting Crickets from your excellent Cha Sep 2024 #202

Sorry I missed this one FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #236

There are no Hezbollah members in America ?? Israeli Sep 2024 #143

Are you an acceptable target if you get on a plane with one FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #164

This operation was as closely targeted as it is possible to be. And as has been pointed out... Hekate Sep 2024 #195

But they are not in a declared war are they? FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #237

You do realize Hezbollah has been actively attacking Israel since October 8, don't you? elias7 Sep 2024 #240

Three or four people in this thread don't know it & don't believe it regardless Hekate Sep 2024 #241

Mischaracterizing the situation isn't helpful FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #242

Way to completely misunderstand the whole discussion Hekate Sep 2024 #177

Pro terrorist accounts all over social media melting over this. Ace Rothstein Sep 2024 #107

There are a couple of devices in there that explode. Arne Sep 2024 #112

How is this different than setting land mines? JackSabbath Sep 2024 #113

oh please Coventina Sep 2024 #115

Well then I guess most of us on this thread are going to hell because most of us support MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #117

I wish it was as simple as killing terrorists FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #136

I wish this was as simple as not pretending to be deliberately obtuse Hekate Sep 2024 #209

I don't think I'm being obtuse FullySupportDems Sep 2024 #222

lol BannonsLiver Sep 2024 #119

How is a raven like a writing desk? sarisataka Sep 2024 #159

He'll what? LOL. notroot Sep 2024 #181

And the kid(s) that died? asm128 Sep 2024 #211

Oh goody, block us all. I will not block you, however, as I am sure your progress here will be full of incident. Hekate Sep 2024 #215

That's right... Hezbollah recently killed some children with one of the 100s of rocket attacks on Israel. notroot Sep 2024 #217

How is this different from being deliberately obtuse? Hekate Sep 2024 #208

...... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #123

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Israeli Sep 2024 #151

All at the same time, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #153

Do you think Office Depot would accept returns? RandySF Sep 2024 #126

Now it's - injured thousands including doctors & nurses womanofthehills Sep 2024 #133

Link? sarisataka Sep 2024 #161

Maybe those poor "doctors" and "nurses" shouldn't be carrying TERRORIST pagers? notroot Sep 2024 #183

And kittens. Why would a pager-carrying terrorist be in a hospital unless it had already gone off? Hekate Sep 2024 #214

As has been proven, just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you're not a terrorist too. Coventina Sep 2024 #228

#1 reason not to hide a pager up inside your ass. Kaleva Sep 2024 #139

Ouch underpants Sep 2024 #148

According to Sky News Arabic Mosby Sep 2024 #176

Gotta hand it to whoever thought this up, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #188

I didn't even know that you could still buy pagers anymore--- Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #193

This one seems a little morally sus Calculating Sep 2024 #197

Then they shouldn't have been terrorists. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2024 #198

Pagers should be turned off in flight. These pagers were purchased by the terrorists themselves. Coventina Sep 2024 #227

Have you considered other countries may use pay phones more than the US? sarisataka Sep 2024 #200

So noted. Jack Valentino Sep 2024 #201

Ironically, pagers are a Jewish invention Bad Thoughts Sep 2024 #234

Quite ingenious. I fully support Israel's aim to combat terrorism. Tarc Sep 2024 #225