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ShazzieB

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87. You are completely missing the point here.

Thu Oct 3, 2024, 06:06 PM

Oct 2024

Trump may very well have said that. I would definitely not put it past him. But that is NOT the issue here. The issue is the contents of Jack Smith's COURT FILING that was unsealed by Judge Chutkan yesterday

In that court filing, that particular remark was NOT attributed to Trump. It was attributed to someone else. In quoting anything from the court filing, we should all be careful to attribute statements quoted in it to the person they are attributed to in the court filing. That applies across the board to all the people who are quoted in there, INCLUDING Trump.

No one here is claiming that there's no possibility Trump ever said, "Make them riot." What we are saying is that Jack Smith did NOT attribute that quote to him in the court filing. It is therefore inaccurate, incorrect, and misleading to claim or even imply that Smith was quoting Trump there.

I don't know how to make this any clearer. If you still don't understand what the issue is, I am at
a loss, because I don't know how to explain it any better.

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There is a post on the Greatest page, spreading harmful misinformation , with 53 recs. [View all] Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 OP

Hmmm, Andrew Wiesman says here it is a quote from trump Beachnutt Oct 2024 #1

And Weissman's wrong about that. He was careless and spread misinformation there. highplainsdem Oct 2024 #10

Can you point to where Weissman says that? onenote Oct 2024 #17

Just watch the clip and when Weisman comes on Beachnutt Oct 2024 #19

I re-watched and found it this time. And Weissman is 100 percent wrong. Page 8, which he cites could not be more clear onenote Oct 2024 #21

I think he got it wrong because he did a rush reading/interpretation of the 160-something page filing. iluvtennis Oct 2024 #86

The quote is attributed to Michael Roman aka Person 5. live love laugh Oct 2024 #49

I'm so glad you posted this. I knew I wasn't losing my mind and I'd heard that on Nicole's show Native Oct 2024 #73

lol bigtree Oct 2024 #2

What's that got to do with the misattributed quote from Smith's report? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #11

I don't think the quote is past Trump bigtree Oct 2024 #13

You don't care that you are willfully spreading false information? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2024 #20

how do you know it's false bigtree Oct 2024 #24

Because there is a transcript AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2024 #25

I will assume he said it bigtree Oct 2024 #30

bigtree, you are wrong on this SCantiGOP Oct 2024 #38

the factchecks are all over the threads bigtree Oct 2024 #39

You will be the first person I have ever blocked SCantiGOP Oct 2024 #40

I did not post any false information, ever. bigtree Oct 2024 #42

Who's defending him? AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2024 #47

'he didn't say' bigtree Oct 2024 #48

That's the silliest argument I've seen here in a while. onenote Oct 2024 #66

another poster who can't make a point of disagreement without accusing the other person of being a 'trumper' bigtree Oct 2024 #99

The only person who thinks I accused you of being a Trumper is you. onenote Oct 2024 #100

you called me that. You called me a 'trumper.' No one who actually knows me has the temerity to insult me so bigtree Oct 2024 #101

NO I DIDN'T onenote Oct 2024 #102

that's it. You are obviously unable to stop. bigtree Oct 2024 #103

Based on this conversation I don't think I'm going to miss anything onenote Oct 2024 #108

This is a weird conversation. mwb970 Oct 2024 #75

No, it's not just you. demmiblue Oct 2024 #85

the 'history' here is that I have NEVER personally attacked you bigtree Oct 2024 #105

are you really moralizing about me while comparing me to maga? bigtree Oct 2024 #92

Please leave me alone. Go away. mwb970 Oct 2024 #96

this is the internet in a nutshell bigtree Oct 2024 #98

You are completely missing the point here. ShazzieB Oct 2024 #87

point is bigtree Oct 2024 #89

I think I see what the problem is now. ShazzieB Oct 2024 #93

lol bigtree Oct 2024 #95

Does what usually work for me? ShazzieB Oct 2024 #110

it's a co-conspirator who said it; michael roman orleans Oct 2024 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Claustrum Oct 2024 #3

Agree. We don't need to disseminate misinformation to win this thing. But don't think it will stop anyone. Silent Type Oct 2024 #4

That's very true BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #52

Totally agree. On the other hand, wouldn't want someone to say they got bad info here. Silent Type Oct 2024 #54

I asked DU'ers for the reference, and it's on page 8. usonian Oct 2024 #5

Must be coming from MSNBC Beachnutt Oct 2024 #7

Is there a "Person#" and Co Conspiritor# List?Link?? for this? IA8IT Oct 2024 #8

There are a couple of images in this thread. usonian Oct 2024 #12

Thank You Many Many Times!!! IA8IT Oct 2024 #22

No problemo usonian Oct 2024 #27

I have to agree that it was P5 who said "Make them riot" usaf-vet Oct 2024 #37

There are images in this thread. usonian Oct 2024 #41

Would you now agree that Disaffected Oct 2024 #6

The report is clear - Trump did not say it, an aide did. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #9

It was not said by two people. Weissman misread the report. highplainsdem Oct 2024 #14

He read it within minutes of it dropping so let's cut him some slack, he got it wrong. Bev54 Oct 2024 #77

OK, I assumed Weisman was correct in what he claimed. Disaffected Oct 2024 #18

Yesterday, there was this thread. Almost everyone believed it. LeftInTX Oct 2024 #15

A lie travels around the world before the truth can get its pants on. Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #16

what 'fucks' us about something that's likely true? bigtree Oct 2024 #28

That post was specifically referring another thread posted by the person I was replying to Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #31

ooh, look at what someone said about the Fuehrer bigtree Oct 2024 #32

Maga types never need proof or true facts either gristy Oct 2024 #36

how much factchecking and scolding do these threads need? bigtree Oct 2024 #43

Truthiness scipan Oct 2024 #62

There's a world of difference between truth and facts. bigtree Oct 2024 #97

You are not a victim here. TheProle Oct 2024 #104

why do you believe I care what you think about whether I'm a 'victim' bigtree Oct 2024 #106

... TheProle Oct 2024 #107

'I said what I said?' bigtree Oct 2024 #109

Seriously, Weisman quoted it wrong, within minutes of it dropping and him trying to pull Bev54 Oct 2024 #78

My criticism isn't of Weissman Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #80

Not everyone is on DU for hours out of the day. Did they refuse to amend it? Bev54 Oct 2024 #82

At first, yes, then after about 12 hours of outcry on this thread and the OP, it was edited. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #94

The change your name thing... druidity33 Oct 2024 #60

It sounds like those random email chains of days gone by LeftInTX Oct 2024 #61

Umm...Welcome to DU? flvegan Oct 2024 #23

Sadly, this is true. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #26

I just visited one of those threads and spent 10 minutes trying to source that quote. It should be removed. Runningdawg Oct 2024 #29

Original poster said he was going to watch birdographer Oct 2024 #33

Looks like he added a correction underneath his OP. summer_in_TX Oct 2024 #45

the long du nightmare is over bigtree Oct 2024 #50

LOL Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2024 #84

He did say this... Dem4life1970 Oct 2024 #34

And is anyone here saying he didn't? But thanks for the non sequitur. onenote Oct 2024 #67

No, it's just with... Dem4life1970 Oct 2024 #90

Can anyone tell me DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #35

The number of people who "recommended" or "REC'D" the thread. progressoid Oct 2024 #44

How about . . . AverageOldGuy Oct 2024 #46

Here you go. BTW, the lines on the legal filing are not numbered. onenote Oct 2024 #69

Yeah, I take your word for that-- I read the story elsewhere and noticed it was not totally clear Jack Valentino Oct 2024 #51

He posted another post saying B.See Oct 2024 #53

I didn't much care about it either way. Jack Valentino Oct 2024 #55

LOL. Me too, Jack. B.See Oct 2024 #56

They do not even recall the 1,000, 000 dead from IQ 45's COVID lies. GreenWave Oct 2024 #83

The post that the OP is complaining about wasn't deleted. sl8 Oct 2024 #57

Guess I missed the edit. B.See Oct 2024 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Oct 2024 #64

Oh. Okay. The one where B.See Oct 2024 #65

*rump is the reason MorbidButterflyTat Oct 2024 #58

How meaningful are Recs when too many at DU seem anxious to Rec anything? elocs Oct 2024 #59

Sadly, people post fake content here all the time. demmiblue Oct 2024 #68

Andrew Weismann who is reading the newly released document said.. dlilafae Oct 2024 #71

Perhaps he did, but he has nothing to do with your link muriel_volestrangler Oct 2024 #74

And, as has been pointed out numerous times, Weissman was wrong. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #79

Duplicate post dlilafae Oct 2024 #72

You should post questions about DU in DU Community Help. Emile Oct 2024 #76

Thank you. Elessar Zappa Oct 2024 #81

I for one have had my fill of TSF and his sidekick lying their @$$es off in debates, interviews, articles ....everywhere Hope22 Oct 2024 #88

Yes, we should be as accurate as we can about posting. hadEnuf Oct 2024 #91

Smith's case actually is not based entirely on Trump wanting a riot on J6. onenote Oct 2024 #111