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In reply to the discussion: Tomasky: Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all]nmmi
(248 posts)155. Do you mean post 86?
Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2024, 09:19 AM - Edit history (3)
#65 doesn't have anything on polls
#86 has this gift article link -- https://wapo.st/3Cm0Enu
which morphs into https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/08/trump-voter-demographic-shifts-election/
Methodology
The 2024 network exit poll results (https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/exit-polls-2024-election/?itid=lk_inline_manual_51) are from interviews of 22,914 randomly selected voters as they exited voting places across the country on Nov. 5; as well as from early in-person voting locations and through live telephone, text-to-web or by email. The poll was conducted by Edison Research for the National Election Pool consortium of ABC News, CBS News, CNN and NBC News. Results are preliminary and will change as additional interviews are included and results are weighted to match vote tallies by region. Like other surveys, exit polls are subject to sampling error and other sources of error.
The 2024 network exit poll results (https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/exit-polls-2024-election/?itid=lk_inline_manual_51) are from interviews of 22,914 randomly selected voters as they exited voting places across the country on Nov. 5; as well as from early in-person voting locations and through live telephone, text-to-web or by email. The poll was conducted by Edison Research for the National Election Pool consortium of ABC News, CBS News, CNN and NBC News. Results are preliminary and will change as additional interviews are included and results are weighted to match vote tallies by region. Like other surveys, exit polls are subject to sampling error and other sources of error.
I looked at that, and I saw the same 2024 numbers as the poll Rstrstx post in #111, namely
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
for the groups I checked...
What is significantly different or doesn't add up?
TIA
Edited to add
Looking at the subthread beginning with #6, if the issue is the Black shift from 2020 to 2024. According to the Washington Post link,
Black men down-shifted: from a margin favoring the Democratic candidate of 60% in 2020 to 56% in 2024,
while Black women up-shifted from a margin of 81% to 84%.
there's no Black overall in the Wapo, but yes, judging from the above, Black overall seems to have been about the same margin in 2024 as in 2020, which I don't see anyone disagreeing with in the subthread (and Black women voted in larger numbers than Black men per the NBC data, so the 4% downshift of Black men coupled with the 3% upshift of black women comes to less than a 1% Black overall difference when weighted by the sizes of the two demographics)
Another edited to add - the shifts may be well within the margin of sampling error.
Another issue is turnout - I read that overall tRump got about the same number of votes as in 2020 but the Democratic candidate got millions fewer. This is true of some of the demographic subgroups too.
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Well, expecting it would collapse under its own dishonesty sure didn't work
William Seger
Nov 2024
#26
lol, Bullwinkle would be a far better president along with his friend Rocky.
Tadpole Raisin
Nov 2024
#63
That, and they haven't "suffered" enough yet to just begin to pay attention.
Justice matters.
Nov 2024
#91
Me too. Here's a genius solution to the silos: The Tangle newsletter. This American Life had a great segment on Sat
mahina
Nov 2024
#154
I think that's definitely A real reason, not THE real reason -- no such thing
William Seger
Nov 2024
#22
On Black men, I have to push back. Black voters voted for trump the same as in 2020, 12 percent.
brush
Nov 2024
#46
Honestly, I think if I could pinpoint American society's downfall in one single event...
Initech
Nov 2024
#51
Rush Limbaugh destroyed my workplace. The men became domineering and loved humiliating female coworkers.
SharonAnn
Nov 2024
#101
How about the fact that Americans are mean and spiteful when given the chance to be
world wide wally
Nov 2024
#8
Media doesn't have the list of ingredients on the label as most "consumables" are required to.
BattleRow
Nov 2024
#19
That I don't believe. Hillary was ahead in the polls until that damn Comey sent his letter to Congress.
brush
Nov 2024
#149
Wealthy Dems need to start creating and/or buying media outlets and grow them fast!
Clouds Passing
Nov 2024
#23
Hopeful that you're right and that they could overcome. But why should they invest in counter messaging?
ancianita
Nov 2024
#38
I hear you. But the oligarchy shit pit is where we are. We have to do something, even depend on our military if need be.
ancianita
Nov 2024
#138
Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, Sinclair's radio, TV, and newspapers, iHeart, Bot (Xtian radio), X, Rogan, etc
Mersky
Nov 2024
#65
MAGATS live in a complete media ecosystem spinning a fantasy land narrative in which dictators are good guys.
FDRFTW
Nov 2024
#153
" The message wouldn't work if people were happy with their lives. THEY ARE NOT! "
HUAJIAO
Nov 2024
#41
Corporate media has now failed to adequately cover Trump for three straight presidential campaigns.
sop
Nov 2024
#25
I totally agree. I watched my parents succumb to Fox News brainwashing. They were decent, progressive, intelligent
Martin68
Nov 2024
#30
My parents grew up during the Depression and came of age during WWII. They were liberals while I was growing up, but
Martin68
Nov 2024
#107
I've thought on this since I read Earl's OP yesterday - I think it goes a little deeper
TBF
Nov 2024
#31
i know some dislike msg that are just yup so let me say HELL TO THE FUCKING YES
AmandaRuth
Nov 2024
#32
Its also social media outlets that post never ending personal smears and falsehoods
indigovalley
Nov 2024
#44
It's still a fact that a majority of voters were comfortable with his outrageous behavior
PlanetBev
Nov 2024
#57
"Mainstream" corporate media deserves a good part of the blame, sane washing, non endorsements of Harris,
diane in sf
Nov 2024
#99
He's partly right; it's true that very little penetrates the right-wing media silo - BUT
Ocelot II
Nov 2024
#100
"do something about it" - gee, thanks, Tomasky, that's a great help.
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2024
#128
Right wing media + racism, mysoginy, failed or programmed education, lack of critical thinking, failure to grow the f up
Attilatheblond
Nov 2024
#162