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157. Nonvoters are deadly to us

Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:03 AM

Nov 2024

Unless Democrats all vote, anyone who says, “we got this” needs to be told, “not yet, you don’t.”

Just ask Elise Slotkin, Tammy Baldwin, Jacky Rosen or (we hope) Rubén Gallego.

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Tomasky: Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] Nevilledog Nov 2024 OP

I have literally been saying this for 12 fucking years now! Initech Nov 2024 #1

Me too, but up until Tuesday, I still believed we could overcome it William Seger Nov 2024 #10

Nope. It's too strong. Initech Nov 2024 #20

Well, expecting it would collapse under its own dishonesty sure didn't work William Seger Nov 2024 #26

I thought the bubble would be bursting with this election, but it didn't. Initech Nov 2024 #48

Oh yes, bdamomma Nov 2024 #169

Nope. It's time to burst that bubble by force if necessary. Initech Nov 2024 #133

I don't know why/how Harris lost Shoonra Nov 2024 #117

RACISM AND SEXISM PUT THE CONVICTED FELON BACK IN OFFICE... Jon Waters Nov 2024 #132

The election was neither clean nor honest dickthegrouch Nov 2024 #140

Because she's a black woman. Meadowoak Nov 2024 #160

Trump didn't win. The Democrats lost OrangeJoe Nov 2024 #136

Willful ignorance combined with pervasive propaganda. CaptainTruth Nov 2024 #21

And they have a decades long lead in building their echo chamber, Tadpole Raisin Nov 2024 #28

What the average Fox News viewer believes: Different Drummer Nov 2024 #58

lol, Bullwinkle would be a far better president along with his friend Rocky. Tadpole Raisin Nov 2024 #63

It's so beyond Fox at this point. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2024 #64

That, and they haven't "suffered" enough yet to just begin to pay attention. Justice matters. Nov 2024 #91

There is no "doubt" about it. AZ8theist Nov 2024 #156

Dig deeper... Scully Nov 2024 #69

Maybe ... but it could just be a symbiotic relationship. I'm KPN Nov 2024 #113

This whole thing is beign run by Putin MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #150

As some may have noticed... pat_k Nov 2024 #76

Exactly what happened in my family. marybourg Nov 2024 #121

It happened so fast. pat_k Nov 2024 #129

Longer than that! luvallpeeps Nov 2024 #139

Way back to the Clinton years. Autumn Nov 2024 #171

I've been saying this since 1984. FDRFTW Nov 2024 #152

Me too. Here's a genius solution to the silos: The Tangle newsletter. This American Life had a great segment on Sat mahina Nov 2024 #154

Hillary said it first, a vast rw conspiracy.... Pepsidog Nov 2024 #175

Some of the propaganda supplied by Russia and China. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #2

I just read the same article on the New Republic site jayschool2013 Nov 2024 #3

I think that's definitely A real reason, not THE real reason -- no such thing William Seger Nov 2024 #22

Fox News pushed the immigrant crisis story 24/7 Yavin4 Nov 2024 #4

We lost this in 1988 when Reagan eliminated The Fairness Doctrine. nt Tommymac Nov 2024 #5

That's not really true moose65 Nov 2024 #35

Yes. It's this. yardwork Nov 2024 #6

On Black men, I have to push back. Black voters voted for trump the same as in 2020, 12 percent. brush Nov 2024 #46

You're right. yardwork Nov 2024 #86

Looking at an NBC exit poll Rstrstx Nov 2024 #90

Ahhhh...those numbers don't add up. See post 65. brush Nov 2024 #110

The exit poll is here Rstrstx Nov 2024 #111

See post 65 for what WAPO found. brush Nov 2024 #112

Do you mean post 86? nmmi Nov 2024 #155

Ah, but white women voted for and won body autonomy in several states and then Jit423 Nov 2024 #143

Nonvoters are deadly to us DFW Nov 2024 #157

And social media. Disaffected Nov 2024 #7

Yep, the column in the OP misanthrope Nov 2024 #49

Honestly, I think if I could pinpoint American society's downfall in one single event... Initech Nov 2024 #51

A lot of folks here on DU don't know what Gamergate is, or how it came about FakeNoose Nov 2024 #73

All the same players, all the same methods AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2024 #79

It's time for some edumacation! Initech Nov 2024 #89

Rush Limbaugh destroyed my workplace. The men became domineering and loved humiliating female coworkers. SharonAnn Nov 2024 #101

How about the fact that Americans are mean and spiteful when given the chance to be world wide wally Nov 2024 #8

How 'bout the fact of that being way too broad a brush? whathehell Nov 2024 #34

I wholeheartedly agree. Srkdqltr Nov 2024 #47

The sane-washing of an insane criminal Blue Owl Nov 2024 #9

He's everything they wish they were. Ligyron Nov 2024 #144

Expecting markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #11

Evidently there's far more chaff than wheat in those depleted fields BattleRow Nov 2024 #16

Right on target. kentuck Nov 2024 #12

So true moose65 Nov 2024 #36

One of the reasons I am so pessimistic about American voters/society is that RockRaven Nov 2024 #13

Media doesn't have the list of ingredients on the label as most "consumables" are required to. BattleRow Nov 2024 #19

Hold on there misanthrope Nov 2024 #50

Why bother when cats and dogs will be the consumables BattleRow Nov 2024 #118

Biden beat trump in 2020 with the same environment/political facts mentioned... brush Nov 2024 #14

I want to know what that "little secret" was - AND IS. calimary Nov 2024 #42

Because my friend, E. Normus Nov 2024 #61

As much as I don't want to hear this it's true. mountain grammy Nov 2024 #104

THIS SunSeeker Nov 2024 #105

Well, the "gotta be a man" thing probably does explain it. calimary Nov 2024 #123

With some of those women DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #130

this bcbink Nov 2024 #125

That I don't believe. Hillary was ahead in the polls until that damn Comey sent his letter to Congress. brush Nov 2024 #149

"Harris' pimps" was said at the Madison Square Garden rally AdamGG Nov 2024 #148

The right wing media empire is too big and too dangerous Mr. Sparkle Nov 2024 #15

Hate radio h2ebits Nov 2024 #54

Nope, news has been replaced by opinion. Initech Nov 2024 #142

Any suggestions how to overcome the messaging of the next four years? ancianita Nov 2024 #17

Wealthy Dems need to start creating and/or buying media outlets and grow them fast! Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #23

Hopeful that you're right and that they could overcome. But why should they invest in counter messaging? ancianita Nov 2024 #38

Thank you for your hope. I have been losing mine. Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #135

I hear you. But the oligarchy shit pit is where we are. We have to do something, even depend on our military if need be. ancianita Nov 2024 #138

Yes! hadEnuf Nov 2024 #62

About 5% of the adult population watches Fox News Kaleva Nov 2024 #18

The whole political landscape has changed since Fox news. hadEnuf Nov 2024 #59

If one looks at the numbers given by the ratings Kaleva Nov 2024 #115

Fox News, Newsmax, OANN, Sinclair's radio, TV, and newspapers, iHeart, Bot (Xtian radio), X, Rogan, etc Mersky Nov 2024 #65

So what is the percentage that watch or listen to all the sources listed? Kaleva Nov 2024 #114

MAGATS live in a complete media ecosystem spinning a fantasy land narrative in which dictators are good guys. FDRFTW Nov 2024 #153

And I wonder about those who rely on sources like Ok occupy Democrats.. Kaleva Nov 2024 #158

While this was a massive "in-kind" contribution... orwell Nov 2024 #24

" The message wouldn't work if people were happy with their lives. THEY ARE NOT! " HUAJIAO Nov 2024 #41

Corporate media has now failed to adequately cover Trump for three straight presidential campaigns. sop Nov 2024 #25

Basically cilla4progress Nov 2024 #27

The media that we watch and listen to.... kentuck Nov 2024 #29

I totally agree. I watched my parents succumb to Fox News brainwashing. They were decent, progressive, intelligent Martin68 Nov 2024 #30

Now you've given me another factor to think about. TBF Nov 2024 #33

My parents grew up during the Depression and came of age during WWII. They were liberals while I was growing up, but Martin68 Nov 2024 #107

I've thought on this since I read Earl's OP yesterday - I think it goes a little deeper TBF Nov 2024 #31

i know some dislike msg that are just yup so let me say HELL TO THE FUCKING YES AmandaRuth Nov 2024 #32

NBC, CBS. and ABC did it too don't let them off... Ysabel Nov 2024 #37

Yup! Beat me to it. GoCubsGo Nov 2024 #67

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. keep_left Nov 2024 #39

Start by not losing what we already have DeeNice Nov 2024 #88

I agree completely. And nearly all of the progressive radio stations... keep_left Nov 2024 #103

100%! Grumpy Old Guy Nov 2024 #40

I couldn't disagree more. snot Nov 2024 #43

Dr. Maslow, I presume? GJGCA Nov 2024 #78

+1 leftstreet Nov 2024 #81

Its also social media outlets that post never ending personal smears and falsehoods indigovalley Nov 2024 #44

plenty of free propaganda southmost Nov 2024 #45

Once they killed liberal talk radio...nuf said MiHale Nov 2024 #52

Nope. Consumers of such propaganda were lacking harumph Nov 2024 #53

Blaming the voters Cirsium Nov 2024 #71

No it's not. It's the truth. nt. druidity33 Nov 2024 #134

Now the question is what do they really want to gain from this? Klarkashton Nov 2024 #55

Lack of accountability Envirogal Nov 2024 #106

100% Joe Cool Nov 2024 #56

It's still a fact that a majority of voters were comfortable with his outrageous behavior PlanetBev Nov 2024 #57

Rich liberals need DownriverDem Nov 2024 #60

Exactly. highplainsdem Nov 2024 #66

Propaganda works and they have an enormous disinformation network. Basso8vb Nov 2024 #68

We actually have lousy media companies all owned by billionares... Historic NY Nov 2024 #70

The biggest liar Andy823 Nov 2024 #72

knr n/t markie Nov 2024 #74

HUGE REC. progressoid Nov 2024 #75

The next question after this is why do people prefer the propaganda? patphil Nov 2024 #77

Exactly. No matter what we do if those right wing outlets are not destroyed oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #80

He is not wrong. valleyrogue Nov 2024 #82

Worse yet: Hieronymus Phact Nov 2024 #83

It's more media than right wing media. Trust_Reality Nov 2024 #84

"Why didn't a majority of voters see these things?" LudwigPastorius Nov 2024 #85

Thank you .. exactly what I've been saying. ificandream Nov 2024 #87

The roots of hate and bigotry run deep. BarbD Nov 2024 #92

I think most people don't see any of media sources. onenote Nov 2024 #93

They get some stuff by osmosis though on social media. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #172

Oh, and by the way, water is wet. ECL213 Nov 2024 #94

My daughter's mother in law watches end-time LeftInTX Nov 2024 #95

Why does no one understand that there's more than one reason? Lulu KC Nov 2024 #96

Thank you -- 100% agree. Pinback Nov 2024 #108

Exactly. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #164

Trumps oral mic story should have been the headlines for days. joshcryer Nov 2024 #97

Yep. That was the invisible ReRe Nov 2024 #98

"Mainstream" corporate media deserves a good part of the blame, sane washing, non endorsements of Harris, diane in sf Nov 2024 #99

He's partly right; it's true that very little penetrates the right-wing media silo - BUT Ocelot II Nov 2024 #100

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #102

And the MSM meekly responded if at all. In fact, KPN Nov 2024 #109

Propaganda hurts not only by lying and deceit but also Stargleamer Nov 2024 #116

They DO know...They don't care. Cretins are just as sick as he is. /nt aka-chmeee Nov 2024 #119

They heard exactly what they * wanted * to hear Six117 Nov 2024 #120

We have to find a way to counter this hateful mess. mzmolly Nov 2024 #122

I still say vote tampering 4catsmom Nov 2024 #124

Dems should get off Fox News and Twitter PedroXimenez Nov 2024 #126

"The answer is the right-wing media." 👈🏾👈🏾👈🏾 uponit7771 Nov 2024 #127

"do something about it" - gee, thanks, Tomasky, that's a great help. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #128

THIS Martin Eden Nov 2024 #131

They need to destroy the country for people to see it. Turbineguy Nov 2024 #137

The media went easy on him and was tough on her liberal N proud Nov 2024 #141

Really? MSNBC Was Pretty Harsh, Are They Not Media? TomCADem Nov 2024 #146

People see what they want to see. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #166

Exactly. These broad brush attacks that treat News Max... TomCADem Nov 2024 #178

That's a major part of it angryxyouth Nov 2024 #145

Why do they want us all at the mercy of a malignant narcissist? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2024 #147

the billionaires control the message. It's Putin's press now. FDRFTW Nov 2024 #151

As a retired educator, it pains me to say this ... Straw Man Nov 2024 #159

As for the worst things he's said, I was told "Oh he doesnt really MEAN it" oldsoftie Nov 2024 #161

Right wing media + racism, mysoginy, failed or programmed education, lack of critical thinking, failure to grow the f up Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #162

EXACTLY! Thom Hartman echoed this truth last week. It's a trillion-dollar marketing campaign to destroy democracy LaMouffette Nov 2024 #163

Right wing media vilified liberals and Democrats to the extent that onlyadream Nov 2024 #165

Abortion Was A Losing Issue For Harris DallasNE Nov 2024 #167

I wholeheartedly agree MaineBlueBear Nov 2024 #168

Why do people choose these? residentcynic Nov 2024 #170

Nope. Littlered Nov 2024 #173

"slanted and distorted information"... kentuck Nov 2024 #174

KnRnBk Hekate Nov 2024 #176

RIGHT WING SPANISH LANGUAGE RADIO MomInTheCrowd Nov 2024 #177