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Dennis Donovan

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Sat Nov 30, 2024, 07:21 AM Nov 2024

The Guardian: The deep historical forces that explain Trump's win [View all]

The Guardian - (archived: https://archive.ph/4XCmr ) The deep historical forces that explain Trump’s win

Our research shows that political breakdown, from the Roman Empire to the Russian revolution, follows a clear pattern: workers’ wages stagnate, while elites multiply



Peter Turchin
Sat 30 Nov 2024 06.00 EST

In the days since the sweeping Republican victory in the US election, which gave the party control of the presidency, the Senate and the House, commentators have analysed and dissected the relative merits of the main protagonists – Kamala Harris and Donald Trump – in minute detail. Much has been said about their personalities and the words they have spoken; little about the impersonal social forces that push complex human societies to the brink of collapse – and sometimes beyond. That’s a mistake: in order to understand the roots of our current crisis, and possible ways out of it, it’s precisely these tectonic forces we need to focus on.

The research team I lead studies cycles of political integration and disintegration over the past 5,000 years. We have found that societies, organised as states, can experience significant periods of peace and stability lasting, roughly, a century or so. Inevitably, though, they then enter periods of social unrest and political breakdown. Think of the end of the Roman empire, the English civil war or the Russian Revolution. To date, we have amassed data on hundreds of historical states as they slid into crisis, and then emerged from it.

So we’re in a good position to identify just those impersonal social forces that foment unrest and fragmentation, and we’ve found three common factors: popular immiseration, elite overproduction and state breakdown.

To get a better understanding of these concepts and how they are influencing American politics in 2024, we need to travel back in time to the 1930s, when an unwritten social contract came into being in the form of Franklin D Roosevelt’s New Deal. This contract balanced the interests of workers, businesses and the state in a way similar to the more formal agreements we see in Nordic countries. For two generations, this implicit pact delivered an unprecedented growth in wellbeing across a broad swath of the country. At the same time, a “Great Compression” of incomes and wealth dramatically reduced economic inequality. For roughly 50 years the interests of workers and the interests of owners were kept in balance, and overall income inequality remained remarkably low.



That social contract began to break down in the late 1970s. The power of unions was undermined, and taxes on the wealthy cut back. Typical workers’ wages, which had previously increased in tandem with overall economic growth, started to lag behind. Inflation-adjusted wages stagnated and at times decreased. The result was a decline in many aspects of quality of life for the majority of Americans. One shocking way this became evident was in changes to the average life expectancy, which stalled and even went into reverse (and this started well before the Covid pandemic). That’s what we term “popular immiseration”.

With the incomes of workers effectively stuck, the fruits of economic growth were reaped by the elites instead. A perverse “wealth pump” came into being, siphoning money from the poor and channelling it to the rich. The Great Compression reversed itself. In many ways, the last four decades call to mind what happened in the United States between 1870 and 1900 – the time of railroad fortunes and robber barons. If the postwar period was a golden age of broad-based prosperity, after 1980 we could be said to have entered a Second Gilded Age.

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This is full of irony. LakeVermilion Nov 2024 #1
Such is the power of the propaganda constantly being put out by rightwing corporate media. sop Nov 2024 #3
A sea of True Dough Nov 2024 #2
Immiseration--the act of making miserable. Timeflyer Nov 2024 #4
Looking at the camera, Frances Perkins. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2024 #5
This is a major false conclusion Cosmocat Nov 2024 #6
Agree, except the last paragraph. Martin Eden Nov 2024 #12
Agreed! Cosmocat Dec 2024 #29
As 62% of the American people are living paycheck to paycheck how do they relate to a "good economy?" Uncle Joe Nov 2024 #23
You mean like the great economy under Trump? dpibel Nov 2024 #27
The point of my post was that it has been going on for decades. Uncle Joe Nov 2024 #28
Bingo Cosmocat Dec 2024 #30
Bingo Cosmocat Dec 2024 #31
As another poster correctly noted Cosmocat Dec 2024 #32
That was my point in both posts, this is decades in the making, and as Uncle Joe Dec 2024 #33
Delusion And Malevolence Are The Deep Historical Forces MayReasonRule Nov 2024 #7
Neo-liberalism was the death of the social good malaise Nov 2024 #8
People are really overthinking this... Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #9
Excellent read. underpants Nov 2024 #10
Time again to Bust the Trusts surfered Nov 2024 #11
Well, that about says it. It's a mess out there. Buckle up Joinfortmill Nov 2024 #13
Left unsaid Icanthinkformyself Nov 2024 #14
Fascist playbook usonian Nov 2024 #15
A complete pile of garbage TheDemsshouldhireme Nov 2024 #16
Your problem is that you can't think like an imbecile! Gotta channel the MAGA. Fish700 Nov 2024 #21
we didn't win nowforever Nov 2024 #17
He left out one important thing: yellow journalism RainCaster Nov 2024 #18
Please read, people. Joinfortmill Nov 2024 #19
It has always been sickening PATRICK Nov 2024 #20
It is an interesting read and I am somewhat convinced. My pet theory is a lot of people have it too good, got bored, Fish700 Nov 2024 #22
Essay is a bit over the top, but it rightly points out the ongoing realignment of the working class with the GOP andym Nov 2024 #24
Some rather broad generalizations, I find DFW Nov 2024 #25
Vulture capital union-busting began in the late 1960s bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #26
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