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Bernardo de La Paz

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14. Can happen. The country is measured in thirds and sixths
Tue Mar 18, 2025, 09:54 AM
Mar 2025

The boundaries of the groups I will discuss are not sharp or easily marked. The groups are blurred, overlapping and multi-dimensional. They have sub-groups. But whatever, this is a first-order model. Measurements stated here are approximate but I think capture most of the actual proportions. One third is about 33 %. One half of one third is one sixth or about 15 % (rounded down a bit, a rounder number).

One third is blue, one third is red, and one third is the wobbly middle. tRump won 1 percent more of the wobbly middle than Harris did. As far as I know at this time. The wobbly middle doesn't pay much attention to news or politics and is more erratic in its rate of voting.

The red at this point is basically tRumpian maga. The third has two halves. The softer half is the life-long conservative Republicans who are pretty steady and traditional. The hard core is cult members who have been on board since tRump 1.0. They are irretrievable. They are about the same size as the 15% that clung to Nixon as an icon in the late 70s.

The middle has an extra wobbly half of the third (one sixth) in the very center.

tRump's approval rating is a good measure (esp. in relation to other Presidents). It shows that the extra wobbly center has moved against tRump. They don't know much, but they've heard the stock market is down and Muck is taking a chainsaw to government. This worries them a little.

One half of the middle half of the middle third has shifted to disapproval, moving the needle from 50% to 44%.

Before long just about all of the middle will have shifted. That would move the needle to about 33%. If tRump has not made a big course correction and is reversing a lot of stuff by then, conditions will continue to worsen and the soft part of red will start peeling away like a drip, to mix my metaphors. I think by time the needle gets into the thirties, we will be seeing mass action in multiple forms, with very noticeable participation but not revolutionary. If it gets into the low thirties, pressure from mass action will be making the tRump-Muck presidency crack in several ways.

As I see things, Muck is breaking things in ways that no President could fix quickly, and certainly not tRump even if panics and reverses course at some point. He is incompetent and they are both short-sighted and unwise.

Muck is breaking things at the same time as tRump is fucking up US foreign and trade policy and overturning domestic labour markets. tRump is not targetting his tariff taxes one at a time, but is using a blunderbuss to fire at the whole world.

Much depends on when the reds start drifting away from tRump and when the middle gets angrier.

My conclusion is that there will be a tipping point and whether or not there is a visible "Have you no decency, Sen McCarthy" event, once it passes, things will get a bit heated. At that point if tRump-Vance-Patel-Bondi don't reverse course, or get impeached or get forced into resignation by twelve Republican Senators going to the White House ... it could get very heated.

But mass action could convince tRump to reverse course before that point, to "save" his legacy, since he is very ratings oriented.

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Not going to happen. Republicans are scared shitless to utter nary a word of disagreement NoMoreRepugs Mar 2025 #1
Choose hopelessness and immobility if you like. pat_k Mar 2025 #3
They Rebl2 Mar 2025 #17
Absolutely. pat_k Mar 2025 #23
Joseph Welch Mme. Defarge Mar 2025 #2
"Have You No Decency?" McCarthy American Experience PBS (Clip) pat_k Mar 2025 #4
Taped that and rewatch it every so often. Keeps me in touch with the allegorical oracle Mar 2025 #16
At a minimum, Democrats in the House and Senate pat_k Mar 2025 #18
That is the least they could do, but will they even do this? BTW: I agree w/you. nt in2herbs Mar 2025 #26
All we can do is push push push. pat_k Mar 2025 #27
I imagine when DOGE's Social Security staff cuts make the system collapse, even MAGAts will revolt. nt SunSeeker Mar 2025 #5
Whether you like the idea or not... Woodycall Mar 2025 #7
Not happening. writerJT Mar 2025 #6
While their tanks roll into the Rhineland... Woodycall Mar 2025 #10
It is indeed appeasement to wait writerJT Mar 2025 #33
I'm not sitting on my hands waiting. pat_k Mar 2025 #37
Can happen. The country is measured in thirds and sixths Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #14
"My conclusion is that there will be a tipping point" pat_k Mar 2025 #24
Yes, tipping points are not fundamentally causal. Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #25
Yeah, any day now. writerJT Mar 2025 #32
It should be obvious that it has never been like this in that decade, not even close to this bad Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #34
Must be one of those "turning points." writerJT Mar 2025 #35
I never said "wait", it's not "the trumpists" (only some) and never-trumpers are never enough Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #36
Plenty of us Americans are already working on that. writerJT Mar 2025 #40
Likewise, I've seen a lot of support for Canada on DU and it is very encouraging. Tough times, be resilient. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #41
McCarthy's chief counsel, FWIW, was Roy Cohn. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2025 #8
Yep. pat_k Mar 2025 #9
Excellent pithy excerpt on Cohn. Wish I had time for in-depth documentary. Maybe saw it years ago. Likely excellent. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #13
ARAB ARAB ARAB points the moron! pansypoo53219 Mar 2025 #11
the JFK file "release" could indicate who AmeriKKKa intends to go after next cadoman Mar 2025 #15
Maga trump, maga politicians, and the maga cult have already proven they have no sense of decency. SamKnause Mar 2025 #12
As did McCarthyism from the get go... pat_k Mar 2025 #19
I do think there will be a Moment. I simply can't imagine when or how it materializes Torchlight Mar 2025 #20
Yes, we are in very frightening times. pat_k Mar 2025 #22
''And if you hold out alone long enough there always comes a time anamnua Mar 2025 #21
I just read the transcript of that May 1945 broadcast pat_k Mar 2025 #29
Quite so. anamnua Mar 2025 #30
Yes, that captures the magnitude of their betrayal pat_k Mar 2025 #38
If the tipping point comes, it could lead to a civil war Polybius Mar 2025 #28
Ulysses Simpson Grant anamnua Mar 2025 #31
Wow. Just wow. pat_k Mar 2025 #39
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