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Hekate

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122. That's most of humanity, so adjust your expectations accordingly. Just people.

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Dumb it down, for fuck's sake. [View all] LuckyCharms Mar 21 OP

Negative messaging and "You" statements are proven to be ineffectual in dialogue. Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #1

Hard disagree except for your final sentence. LuckyCharms Mar 21 #4

I've edited to add a bit, so you might want to do the same for clarity's sake. Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #6

As they say... LuckyCharms Mar 21 #8

We haven't been in a controlled debate about facts for decades. Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #14

This is the heart of the matter MadameButterfly Mar 21 #45

"I hope some smart people are working on this" You and me both, friend. Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #52

What you do is important MadameButterfly Mar 21 #111

We must not talk SMARTER...we must reach the gut & heart not the brain RunnoDeMille Mar 21 #129

I don't mean TALK smarter MadameButterfly Mar 21 #137

this is a spot on analysis- R0ckyRac00n Mar 21 #47

Don't even worry about credit, friendo. We're on the same side, my thoughts are yours freely. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #49

You aren't meeting JustAnotherGen Mar 22 #150

Buh bye orangecrush Mar 21 #26

I don't know why you're leaving, but bye, I guess? n/t Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #28

Negative messaging never seems to hurt TSF. Nt Trueblue Texan Mar 21 #76

It doesn't hurt him, but it plays to his base. It's not picking up new voters but radicalizing those who vote for him.nt Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #81

And Trump deliberately uses 6th grade language because it works for him. Lonestarblue Mar 21 #100

..."'That was a damn lie' Tiktok campaign Democrats put out. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 21 #101

Yeah, ridiculed and mocked by everyone that saw the first ten seconds. Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #115

If negative messaging doesn't work iyo Meowmee Mar 21 #121

I actually like it when I hear words that I need to look up - but not too many. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 21 #133

Unfortunately many people are either too lazy or too busy to look things up when politicians speak DeeDeeNY Mar 22 #146

The Playing Field Is Not Level DallasNE Mar 22 #155

Maybe you should look up "Kakistocracy" too? dem4decades Mar 21 #2

Well said, LC. FalloutShelter Mar 21 #3

Yes. Smaller words. Fewer words. "They are taking your jobs and money" to the point. Srkdqltr Mar 21 #5

This is the influence from the left-wing media. everyonematters Mar 21 #7

Is that a positive or negative comment? Paladin Mar 21 #19

Your opinion changes on whether the message is delivered in a positive or negative manner? Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #24

My opinion won't change. Paladin Mar 21 #30

That's entirely valid and well stated. My compliments. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #31

Thanks. (nt) Paladin Mar 21 #33

That's a negative comment. everyonematters Mar 21 #43

15,000 people came out in Tempe, Arizona for our Fighting Oligarchy tour. Emile Mar 21 #9

They are not coming for the word oligarchy.. LuckyCharms Mar 21 #11

IMO, I disagree, it's working just fine. Emile Mar 21 #13

How about . BattleRow Mar 21 #112

Yes. good! LuckyCharms Mar 21 #114

Brilliant! JustAnotherGen Mar 22 #151

Thank you. BattleRow Mar 22 #154

re: crowd TnDem Mar 21 #51

How about we educate while we're dumbing down shit for the dumbasses? mucholderthandirt Mar 21 #10

In the situation wer are in now? LuckyCharms Mar 21 #15

Well, if you look at voters that you are trying to win over as dumbasses, yagotme Mar 21 #64

I think it's great that you learned two new words. They are good words to know. And if you listened to Nanjeanne Mar 21 #12

I think pattyloutwo Mar 21 #88

No I understood it completely. But thanks. Nanjeanne Mar 21 #89

Words are symbols, not the thing. multigraincracker Mar 21 #16

Dictator duhneece Mar 21 #17

I see your point angrychair Mar 21 #18

I agree 100% with this. LuckyCharms Mar 21 #20

And to think, literacy rates and comprehension rates were actually worse 40 years ago. Elessar Zappa Mar 22 #157

Absolutely right. TheRickles Mar 21 #21

Great post. raccoon Mar 21 #50

You NAILED it, Lucky! GiqueCee Mar 21 #22

You know who excelled at that? tonekat Mar 21 #39

And Frankel's supposed "crime"... GiqueCee Mar 21 #96

Yes, I agree totally wendyb-NC Mar 21 #23

Excellent OP malaise Mar 21 #25

There was a brief and foolish push to use "kakistocracy" Orrex Mar 21 #27

"The secret of the demagogue is to appear as dumb as his audience so people can believe themselves as smart as he is." sop Mar 21 #29

I've noticed that people who are adept at communicating to a broad audience define the terms they use as they speak... Harker Mar 21 #32

No need to do that... Think. Again. Mar 21 #34

Looks like a new adjective will spring up to mean: An imbecile asshole with Narcissistic tendencies. chouchou Mar 21 #35

That's a noun. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 21 #120

I'm guessing you like Tim Walz. dchill Mar 21 #36

Yes, very much! LuckyCharms Mar 21 #37

We are 30+ years behind the GOP in that regard Ursus Rex Mar 21 #38

I think most educated people know what oligarchy and autocracy means. SidneyR Mar 21 #40

Outside of DU, I'm not sure if I know anyone who would accurately define oligarchy or autocracy LuckyCharms Mar 21 #42

In my mid-twenties, I briefly dated a guy who turned out... 3catwoman3 Mar 21 #65

"ambivalent" - sounds like one of those new woke gender terms. Does It means bivalent in the morning? progree Mar 22 #143

Love the wordplay. SidneyR Mar 23 #162

#tyrant BoRaGard Mar 21 #41

ByGawd 3auld6phart Mar 21 #44

TLDR: Use pictures. Simplest. usonian Mar 21 #46

re: "nazi like" TnDem Mar 21 #48

Add "misogyny" to the kist AverageOldGuy Mar 21 #53

I'm a little surprised that flapping ones hands as though playing an imaginary accordian while speaking Harker Mar 21 #59

Pillars? ShazzieB Mar 21 #110

You've got a good point Ohioboy Mar 21 #54

Been having this convo leighbythesea2 Mar 21 #55

Here's a word for you: "incurious" Orange Buffoon Mar 21 #56

Wise words. louis-t Mar 21 #57

I have always felt that way about those two words William769 Mar 21 #58

Not sure they'll understand the word Mega crazylikafox Mar 21 #62

I think they will. Mega Church's have been around a long time. William769 Mar 21 #63

I have said this for years on DU and I get told that makes us no better than them. AZLD4Candidate Mar 21 #60

You may very well be right. defacto7 Mar 21 #61

Won't matter. The GOP and rich people have taught them over many decades to travelingthrulife Mar 21 #66

No disrespect, but indusurb Mar 21 #67

How about I throw some words at you that I know... LuckyCharms Mar 21 #69

Go for it indusurb Mar 21 #79

Nope. LuckyCharms Mar 21 #80

A shame, indusurb Mar 21 #82

Me too. I learned a long time ago to engage using one word responses with people who LuckyCharms Mar 21 #83

And where have I insulted you? indusurb Mar 21 #84

Oh. LuckyCharms Mar 21 #85

LOL Kali Mar 21 #136

As the apotheosis of use a sesquipedalian lexicon, I am preternaturally uncongenial... NNadir Mar 21 #68

Thanks, I needed this. littlemissmartypants Mar 21 #73

Your heathen, analphabetic use of the Oxford Comma reviles my personage you presumptuous Luddite. /s Hellbound Hellhound Mar 21 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author NNadir Mar 21 #91

This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. JanMichael Mar 21 #138

Ingenious illustrative alliteration indeed. NNadir Mar 22 #142

V introducing himself to Evie in V for Vendeta JanMichael Mar 22 #148

And why not a song? usonian Mar 21 #70

Cheats n Liars Hired by a Felon Prof. P.E. Name Mar 21 #71

Amen! Joinfortmill Mar 21 #72

I prefer... littlemissmartypants Mar 21 #74

Here's my offering on the "simplicity" front pat_k Mar 21 #75

Oligarchy... a funny. So beyond husband in knowledge and aware political. LizBeth Mar 21 #77

I remember watching Leno's 'Jaywalking' Mr.Bee Mar 21 #78

It's a simple question to grasp that for some is ungraspable Sympthsical Mar 21 #87

Do what works on the retail sales floor. Elwood P Dowd Mar 21 #90

The most uneducated person to whom i was close was my father. NNadir Mar 21 #92

The word use t0 be robber barron. Don't know it still isn't used. boston bean Mar 21 #93

May I recommend FrameLab and its newsletter here? Qutzupalotl Mar 21 #94

We are so far down that oligarchy road, frankly its out of date as well JCMach1 Mar 21 #95

LuckyCharms, here's a quote from David Hogg that was posted the other day on DU FakeNoose Mar 21 #97

You make good points. Personally, I am in an existential crisis right now. I get it, but Bob RedHat did not Hekate Mar 21 #98

Great post and I totally agree with the premise of the OP, thank you for bringing it up blue_jay Mar 22 #141

I feel Oligarchy and Autocracy Mblaze Mar 21 #99

Sorry, no. Basso8vb Mar 21 #102

That's great. You know what is a simple word for me? LuckyCharms Mar 21 #107

Both of those words are not only unfamiliar to a lot of people, Ocelot II Mar 21 #103

I've found myself writing "Hey, man" and deleting it lately. It's all so '60s, man. betsuni Mar 21 #139

All true... the vast majority of the population is sub average intelligence... WarGamer Mar 21 #104

That's most of humanity, so adjust your expectations accordingly. Just people. Hekate Mar 21 #122

I never had to use "Oligarchy" before. JohnnyRingo Mar 21 #105

Good ideas senseandsensibility Mar 21 #106

Great post!. Evolve Dammit Mar 21 #108

Living paycheck to paycheck. BarbD Mar 21 #109

Correct!!! KT2000 Mar 21 #113

We should have "Say this, not that" threads meow2u3 Mar 21 #116

See post #98 for links to examples Hekate Mar 21 #126

Bravo BRAVO Ruby the Liberal Mar 21 #117

And instead of saying "authoritarian," say "dictator!" Sogo Mar 21 #118

I tend to agree Meowmee Mar 21 #119

You can't "message" to people who have been brainwashed. valleyrogue Mar 21 #123

When it comes to dumbing down, looks like the felon's anti-woke folks are a step ahead. ancianita Mar 21 #124

A small group of rich people who get rich because they are stealing from the rest of us Oligarchy Clouds Passing Mar 21 #125

Never be afraid of the truth, but always back it up with basics. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 21 #127

Preach! DaBronx Mar 21 #128

NO! I will tutt tutt, wag my fingers and head bob as I please! while yelling "mah climate" out a tesler posting on X Nimble_Idea Mar 21 #130

If you've ever played any version of Civilization, you know what those two words are. Initech Mar 21 #131

In 2006, I did not know what those words meant either, Bluethroughu Mar 21 #132

I keep saying this: talk like normal people tishaLA Mar 21 #134

I agree Figarosmom Mar 21 #135

I actually tried it with republican acquaintances several times and Nope... Bread and Circuses Mar 22 #140

Dumb Down was "not-quite-Petula-Clark's" greatest hit DFW Mar 22 #144

Democrats can use a Frank Luntz-type advisor DeeDeeNY Mar 22 #145

Frank is a mercenary. He works for the highest bidder DFW Mar 22 #147

I'm in 100% Agreement JustAnotherGen Mar 22 #149

YES! LSparkle Mar 22 #152

I am 77 years old and in my entire life I don't think I have heard anyone but a Democratic politition doc03 Mar 22 #153

I disagree with the premise. TheProle Mar 22 #156

I find it disheartening when people project an air of superiority onto others LuckyCharms Mar 22 #158

Knowing those words doesn't make me superior, TheProle Mar 22 #159

Here's the thing. LuckyCharms Mar 22 #160

Thanks, you too. TheProle Mar 22 #161

I knew those words as a teenager Bonx Mar 23 #163