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SunSeeker

(56,358 posts)
47. I think you're confusing me with NNadir--that's who you had directed your question to.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 02:39 AM
Apr 2025

I was not "skipping over" your question. The reason I replied to your question to NNadir about Whitmer's speech is to address what I think is the main reason people are upset with how her White House visit went down, and I think bickering over her speech misses the main point. People are upset because she allowed herself to get played as an Oval Office prop. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/disaster-gretchen-whitmers-talk-tariffs-meeting-trump-anger-fellow-dem-rcna200530

Even Whitmer realized it was a disaster, trying to cover her face from the cameras in this now viral photo from that day:

https://www.newsweek.com/gretchen-whitmer-accused-trying-hide-viral-oval-office-photo-2059183

But if you must know specifically what I personally (I can't speak for NNadir) didn't like about her speech, it is that she was giving Trump way too much credit, and even adopting Trump’s vomitous "Golden Age" talking point (as if him gilding up the Oval Office wasn't bad enough) and the "cut red tape" bullshit.

Let’s cut red tape and unleash the extraordinary potential of American industry. Let’s give more hardworking people a fair shot at a decent life. And let’s usher in, as President Trump says, a “Golden Age” of American manufacturing.
...
Thankfully, Republicans, Democrats, and industry leaders came together to do something about it. During President Trump’s first term, we started a serious national conversation about semiconductor manufacturing. A few years later, Congress passed bipartisan legislation to bring chip manufacturing back home. I’m grateful to so many in our congressional delegation who fought hard to get it across the finish line.
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/news/press-releases/2025/04/09/whitmers-build-america-build-address-as-prepared-for-delivery

We didn't lose manufacturing because of "red tape." That is a right wing talking point. We lost manufacturing because workers in other countries are willing to work for pennies on the dollar compared to American workers. And she made it sound like Trump was responsible for the CHIPS Act, but it was one of Biden’s signature achievements. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act

In fact, Trump is trying to undermine the CHIPS Act by illegally taking the billions the Act allocated for bringing microchip manufacturing back to the US.

But other than that, her speech was fine. Like I said, her speech was not the main issue.

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I thought she was a lot smarter than that. Autumn Apr 2025 #1
Some of these Dems from 2024 Trump states are weak kansasobama Apr 2025 #3
Please listen to her speech instead of taking clickbait headlines as a correct analysis. ... xocetaceans Apr 2025 #24
They're not listening, are they? They pick up on the narrative that our best Dem politicians are stoopid... Hekate Apr 2025 #26
She said herself aocommunalpunch Apr 2025 #37
I've listened to her. I'm disappointed that she met with that orange piece of shit knowing what he does. Autumn Apr 2025 #39
The OP is not about her speech, which was good. The OP is about her meeting with the orange sack of shit Autumn Apr 2025 #41
She's on the front line thought crime Apr 2025 #48
Double standard? There is no double standard. Trumps people like it when he uses them. Autumn Apr 2025 #49
Hear, Hear!! MayReasonRule Apr 2025 #2
This is what desperately trying to position yourself for 2028 does. tman Apr 2025 #4
Another face plant for 28! Bengus81 Apr 2025 #15
You either stand for democracy or you stand for fascism, there is NO in between, NO middle ground. nt Hotler Apr 2025 #5
She was supposed to meet with him privately as I understand it. Tadpole Raisin Apr 2025 #6
Instead she ends up shoved in a corner of the Oval while he's signing 2020 election-related grievance EO's BeyondGeography Apr 2025 #8
He did the same thing to Romney. llmart Apr 2025 #16
Mitt thought he was going to be Secretary of State. Trump strung him along. Marcuse Apr 2025 #54
In 2001 . . . Scubamatt Apr 2025 #7
"...clearly markodochartaigh Apr 2025 #9
This has been the problem since 2000 GoreWon2000 Apr 2025 #17
I really wish that Gore didn't concede right after that infamous 5-4 ruling Polybius Apr 2025 #19
He had no other choice GoreWon2000 Apr 2025 #23
Ug, I did not know that about Rendell. nt SunSeeker Apr 2025 #33
Rendell one of many who dropped the ball GoreWon2000 Apr 2025 #45
Disappointing Cirsium Apr 2025 #10
Big Gretch should have stayed home, because she got played Historic NY Apr 2025 #11
And anyone that gets played that easily Mr. Evil Apr 2025 #20
Man, THAT'S for sure! calimary Apr 2025 #28
The people that seemed logical choices for POTUS in '28 AllyCat Apr 2025 #12
We need our young congresswomen AOC, Jasmine etc. NNadir Apr 2025 #13
Exactly which part of her speech do you find to be the most egregious? xocetaceans Apr 2025 #25
It wasn't just her speech. It was her letting Trump use her for his fascist EO photo op. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #36
Let's start with the speech, though. One point at a time. What is the part of the speech that was the most egregious... xocetaceans Apr 2025 #46
I think you're confusing me with NNadir--that's who you had directed your question to. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #47
Obviously, you are not NNadir. There is no confusion in that. Dropping in as you did is also obviously fine as is... xocetaceans Apr 2025 #55
She probably Gavin Newsomed herself out of contention for a presidential nomination down the road. Sky Jewels Apr 2025 #14
Not to bad that both of them showed their true values very early on. Bengus81 Apr 2025 #18
You're right. Sky Jewels Apr 2025 #42
Not Newsome level but weak kansasobama Apr 2025 #51
Stupid But Not Fatal Starbeach Apr 2025 #21
Wow. ShazzieB Apr 2025 #22
Repeating your last paragraph, ShazzieB. calimary Apr 2025 #30
These trump-soft Democrats are complete liabilities, from my standpoint. Paladin Apr 2025 #27
I would also add Mr.Bee Apr 2025 #29
This must be the bus EYESORE 9001 Apr 2025 #31
Just stop DownriverDem Apr 2025 #32
Yeah, I'll agree with you on that FakeNoose Apr 2025 #35
She did this to herself. aocommunalpunch Apr 2025 #38
Far left Dem? I've no idea what that even means except as a R talking point. Nanjeanne Apr 2025 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author bronxiteforever Apr 2025 #34
NBC allowed to CRAP on Biden and Whitmer. Festivito Apr 2025 #40
Fight like jasmin from texas 90-percent Apr 2025 #43
"got slapped on her face" - I doubt you'd say that about a man HereForTheParty Apr 2025 #44
There is a solution. kentuck Apr 2025 #50
100% agree kansasobama Apr 2025 #52
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