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EarlG

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135. I think there's a fair amount of wishful thinking going on in this thread

Thu Jun 5, 2025, 07:58 AM

Jun 5

In fact I’d like to think that more than a few people who rec’d it did so because they would like to believe it’s true, not because they actually believe it. It was a fateful moment that gave Trump a lucky bump in the polls. If he’d been unlucky, he’d be dead. So I can understand people’s desire to believe that it was staged. But the theory completely falls apart if you think about it for more than two seconds.

Raw video of the footage does not look staged in any way. There really was an actual shooter who fired live ammunition directly at Trump. Two people, including the shooter, died at the scene.

In fact, the conspiracy theory is counterproductive, because it makes Trump seem MORE impressive than reality. Instead of being what he really is, which is an opportunistic asshole surrounded by incompetents, the conspiracy theory requires him to be part of a plot more unrealistic than a Hollywood thriller, where he has the courage to stand in the line of fire of live ammunition, and where people within a few yards of him actually die, for real. It requires him to pull off an acting performance under those circumstances capable of fooling everyone watching, not to mention all the cameras pointed at him.

Not only is it harder to believe than the truth, it makes Trump look smarter and braver than he really is. Why spread that theory around?

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He was never shot. It never happened. [View all] 634-5789 Jun 4 OP

You and me both. I think that "assassination attempt" was totally staged. raccoon Jun 4 #1

It sure looks like it now with time and a clear perspective... brush Jun 4 #3

Another trick, but this one involves murders. Scrivener7 Jun 4 #6

Absolutely, and they could care less who in the crown got killed. brush Jun 4 #53

They have plenty of practice at murdering people. Clouds Passing Jun 5 #146

Trump hung around on fake azz WWE for years and a friend of McMahon for decades Bengus81 Jun 4 #14

Three other people were shot during the incident EarlG Jun 4 #18

Collateral damage MaeScott Jun 4 #25

Okay I'm trying to lock in on what the theory is here EarlG Jun 4 #29

Save your self the headache DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 4 #44

Nah, real bullets were fired directly at those who were actually struck. Disaffected Jun 4 #68

We're talking about TRUMP being shot,try reading all the posts. Bengus81 Jun 4 #34

I don't think he gives a shit about anybody but himself EarlG Jun 4 #37

and if it did happen like that, he'd never be able to not brag about it 24/7. FSogol Jun 4 #52

That's perhaps the best reason to dismiss the conspiracy theory. YodaMom2 Jun 5 #154

MORE attention should have been noted on covid deaths and redirecting U S covid supplies to other countries vapor2 Jun 4 #76

No. The man who was killed was the real mwmisses4289 Jun 4 #39

Except EarlG Jun 4 #41

Please share a legit story about any relationship between the shooter & the fatality. Callie1979 Jun 4 #77

So....the idea is Mountainguy Jun 5 #156

Collateral damage, to make it look real. Meadowoak Jun 4 #102

(Edited) EarlG Jun 4 #112

Here's my theory... 634-5789 Jun 5 #128

See my post 73 EarlG Jun 5 #133

I don't think trump was the target. Who ever organized it didn't care about the collaral damage of others... brush Jun 5 #141

A messed up 20-year-old took his rifle and a couple of explosive devices to a Trump rally, EarlG Jun 5 #147

We all have opinions on it. Mine is different than yours. brush Jun 5 #148

Indeed, and this being a discussion forum EarlG Jun 5 #149

That's cool. But before we go let me see if you remember an ear cartilage event from the past. brush Jun 5 #150

I do remember it EarlG Jun 5 #153

Thanks. I saw the fight on TV. Didn't remember the blood. Doesn't change my mind that trump wasn't the target. brush Jun 5 #155

Yep, fake blood capsule while down on the podium. brush Jun 4 #54

More likely than not? No, but truly nothing would surprise me with that fake lyin azz POS. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 4 #101

Why would someone volunteer to commit suicide EarlG Jun 5 #134

And the guy who was killed was fake-killed? NoRethugFriends Jun 4 #117

It's 60+ years since the Kennedy assassination and we're still agonizing on no_hypocrisy Jun 4 #2

One would think that after 60 years, some proof would have been found that Oswald didn't act alone Kaleva Jun 4 #49

I take it you don't read... Chemical Bill Jun 4 #55

Was it Castro, the CIA, the Mafia or some other? Kaleva Jun 4 #66

One doesn't have to prove... Chemical Bill Jun 4 #74

There is no legit disproval of Oswald firing Callie1979 Jun 4 #78

I take it you haven't read the books. n/t Chemical Bill Jun 4 #79

Lots of postulations but no hard fact. Callie1979 Jun 4 #81

In the Douglass book? Chemical Bill Jun 4 #96

according to that book everyone over 25 were the culprits. Callie1979 Jun 5 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Meadowoak Jun 4 #103

As the meme says, "Sure, Jan" Callie1979 Jun 5 #122

I have never seen anything claiming that there were 11 shooters. n/t Chemical Bill Jun 5 #127

This is correct TnDem Jun 4 #107

People see videos & it looks SO far away. But then lots of people WANT to believe. Callie1979 Jun 5 #123

In 60 years, no one has been able to disprove Oswald did it Kaleva Jun 4 #90

The 1979 select Commiy on Assassinations angrychair Jun 4 #94

Later than 1972 TnDem Jun 4 #108

That was my editing mistake angrychair Jun 4 #111

re: Oswald TnDem Jun 5 #126

Absolutely not angrychair Jun 5 #157

Douglass said... Chemical Bill Jun 4 #97

Just because you and some others may believe that Oswald didn't do I doesn't make it true Kaleva Jun 5 #120

Has Oswald ever been found guilty in a court? Chemical Bill Jun 5 #125

And why are you hung up on that one assertion... Chemical Bill Jun 4 #99

The Reagan assassination GigiLeigh Jun 4 #92

No "Zapruder" type footage released. luvallpeeps Jun 4 #4

Obvious fake from the start, but the magat cult ate it up. The more people questioned it the AnotherMother4Peace Jun 4 #5

Just think of the photo op, though..... democrank Jun 4 #7

I remain malaise Jun 4 #8

No Kings, June 14 - Yes. speak easy Jun 4 #9

This right here is what matters Ponietz Jun 4 #11

a bullet wound healed in less than 2 weeks and didn't even leave a scab or a scar on a 78 year old man Botany Jun 4 #10

"I'm not a conspiracist!" Proceeds to push ridiculous conspiracy theory... tritsofme Jun 4 #12

Why is it ridiculous? obamanut2012 Jun 4 #13

See post 21 (nt) EarlG Jun 4 #23

Yeah, the guy who attempted a coup on the Capitol, fake elector scheme & P2025 would NEVER do this. Never. themaguffin Jun 4 #61

I'd suggest you read through EarlG's posts in this thread. He is doing yeoman's work trying to steer folks away from tritsofme Jun 4 #63

I don't like conspiracies, but the group that did 1/6, the Eastman memo, fake electors, doge etc would absolutely do themaguffin Jun 4 #69

Whether they *would* do it is not the same as EarlG Jun 4 #114

I think that you missed my point. themaguffin Jun 5 #158

Doublethink sarisataka Jun 4 #62

Curious, as petty as he is HipChick Jun 4 #15

Definitely bdamomma Jun 4 #16

How does this fit into the theory? EarlG Jun 4 #17

Collateral damage MaeScott Jun 4 #26

Post removed Post removed Jun 4 #51

No use talking about this now, gab13by13 Jun 4 #19

He doesn't even have a scar. Vinca Jun 4 #20

There are a lot of blood vessels in the ear EarlG Jun 4 #21

Why no scab or scar in later photos? TheRickles Jun 4 #30

Because superficial means superficial EarlG Jun 4 #32

Spot on. Occam's Razor easily wins this one. n/t Ol Janx Spirit Jun 4 #110

Exactly... Even a "grazing" injury (which is obviously the extent of it) will cause a lot of bleeding to hlthe2b Jun 4 #46

I've had to cancel a show Littlered Jun 4 #60

Joe Rogan looked RIGHT AT this fakery and chose not to speak up. Maine-i-ac Jun 4 #22

Rent free. k_buddy762 Jun 4 #24

I believe he was shot *at*. Tommy Carcetti Jun 4 #27

Yes. Two men in the bleachers were wounded by bullets and another man died. tanyev Jun 4 #31

The first couple of shots were The Wizard Jun 4 #105

I don't believe he was hit by a bullet maybe glass, but I can't imagine how it was staged. Local and federal law doc03 Jun 4 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author EarlG Jun 4 #35

I agree Kaleva Jun 4 #42

I think you have the right idea - be skeptical but grounded cadoman Jun 5 #118

Kick SheltieLover Jun 4 #33

Can someone explain to me how this plot was presented to Trump? EarlG Jun 4 #36

Thank you for your heaping doses of the reality on this thread EarlG AZJonnie Jun 4 #57

Trump's defiant raised fist after being "shot" was an act because he is not brave at all. elocs Jun 4 #38

I watched the assassination attempt on tv k55f5r Jun 4 #89

So fake. vanlassie Jun 4 #98

Watch the video I posted further down EarlG Jun 5 #131

K&R UTUSN Jun 4 #40

What hospital? Who were the attending physicians? Why no press conference with them? mobeau69 Jun 4 #43

Butler Memorial EarlG Jun 4 #47

"It never happened" sarisataka Jun 4 #45

Kooky CT nonsense Fiendish Thingy Jun 4 #48

The guy said he loved krasnov and was doing what he wanted. lark Jun 4 #50

Cool story bro. obnoxiousdrunk Jun 4 #56

I tend to believe he was shot at Torchlight Jun 4 #58

Me either. They had the grifting all set up and ready to go. travelingthrulife Jun 4 #59

wait, let me put my shoes on and Fight, Fight Fight RANDYWILDMAN Jun 4 #65

This conspiracy crap is embarrassing. Ms. Toad Jun 4 #64

And why wasn't the kid who shot him not reported on after the incident ? kimbutgar Jun 4 #67

Please tell us you forgot to add the sarcasm tag sarisataka Jun 4 #70

I did kimbutgar Jun 4 #85

Edited EarlG Jun 4 #73

All for press. republianmushroom Jun 4 #71

87 Recs flvegan Jun 4 #72

dismaying Celerity Jun 4 #109

126 now demmiblue Jun 5 #129

The closest I've ever come to being shot at was when I was in the Gulf in 1991. Aristus Jun 4 #75

Maybe the Trump shooting didn't happen the way you remember it happening EarlG Jun 4 #80

Thanks for posting this Retrograde Jun 4 #88

I recall reading news reports in the immediate aftermath misanthrope Jun 4 #93

Secretly I_UndergroundPanther Jun 5 #121

Really? ForgedCrank Jun 5 #143

Funny how the "iconic image" failed to depict Trump's palpable panic, confusion and fear. sop Jun 5 #136

It's a single frame, captured by a professional photographer EarlG Jun 5 #137

I'm "suggesting" the single frame, the only frame depicting Trump as an "iconic" figure, was the one chosen sop Jun 5 #139

Okay EarlG Jun 5 #140

Obviously, the other still frames/images exist in the public record, as does video of the shooting and other coverage. sop Jun 5 #142

Predictable indeed -- I don't disagree with you EarlG Jun 5 #144

I'm confused. rsdsharp Jun 4 #82

Post removed Post removed Jun 4 #83

Wha? ILikePie92 Jun 4 #84

An assassination attempt was made, he was VERY MINIMALLY hit karynnj Jun 4 #86

Starting off by saying something like "I'm not a conspiracy theorist but..." Polybius Jun 4 #87

They always do the thing the blame other for. Blue Full Moon Jun 4 #91

Okay but EarlG Jun 4 #115

There was a second "assassination attempt" MorbidButterflyTat Jun 4 #95

Some tough love being administered in this thread. egduj Jun 4 #100

They literally had t-shirts made the next day. Initech Jun 4 #104

You can easily crank out merchadise that fast EarlG Jun 4 #113

Just stop it TnDem Jun 4 #106

Are we ForgedCrank Jun 4 #116

It was bullshit I_UndergroundPanther Jun 5 #119

"I'm not a conspiracist." demmiblue Jun 5 #130

It happened. There is literally a dead assassin and his gun left behind. Takket Jun 5 #132

I think there's a fair amount of wishful thinking going on in this thread EarlG Jun 5 #135

He didn't need it, followers love him no matter what, fake attempt is too much trouble betsuni Jun 5 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 5 #145

Trump shooting rso Jun 5 #151

Do not stand by my grave and weep Ping Tung Jun 5 #152