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Wiz Imp

(5,385 posts)
158. I hate to break it to you, but by your logic, Obama cheated to win both elections in 2008 and 2012
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:55 PM
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https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

After the 2012 election results were final, some claimed that fraud was the only way to explain voting numbers in Philadelphia which showed Mitt Romney getting no votes at all in dozens of precincts in that city. But a review of election returns from all over the country shows that while such a result is rare, it happens more than you might think, and will probably happen again on November 8.

Romney received zero votes in six precincts located in Fulton County, Georgia, which is home to much of the city of Atlanta. The largest spread was 327-0 for Obama in precinct CP083, on the southeast side of College Park, Georgia, an area that is over 80 percent African American, not far from downtown Atlanta. There were seven other precincts in that same county where Romney received only a single vote; in one precinct, Obama ran up an 898-1 advantage.

In 2012 in Pennsylvania, it wasn't just Philadelphia that had precincts give no votes to Romney, as it also happened in Pittsburgh, and two suburban precincts outside of Philadelphia. That pattern was repeated in cities like Detroit, where there were 31 precincts that went to Obama in which Romney did not get a single vote, with many of those precincts delivering well over 400 votes each to Obama - another big city area with a high concentration of black supporters and few Republicans.

What I found were hundreds of precincts around the nation where Romney didn't get a single vote, and many precincts where President Obama was shutout as well.

Political science professor Jonathan Rodden of Stanford University ran the numbers for the 2008 election, and found hundreds of precincts where John McCain received no votes - and some that gave no votes to Obama as well. "If we limit ourselves to precincts in which at least 10 votes were cast, there are almost 180,000" in the U.S., Rodden told me. "Of these, 477 gave every single vote to Obama, and 52 gave every single vote to McCain."


There's many more examples in the article.

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Could be something to keep an eye on. Torchlight Wednesday #1
Not errors in many other places too...Musk money. brush Wednesday #57
"Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud" - AJC TheProle Wednesday #100
Forget aout the experts what do you say? brush Wednesday #102
I don't know all the facts, so I am withholding judgment TheProle Wednesday #106
Voting present, huh? brush Wednesday #107
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #154
Are you serious?? MorbidButterflyTat Wednesday #167
So you have evidence to back up this claim, then? Jedi Guy Thursday #177
Dumpy and looney both admitted they cheated numerous times out loud and in public! Clouds Passing Thursday #186
Ummm.... Happy Hoosier Thursday #193
Let me make sure I understand you. Are you saying trump won all the swing states fair and square? brush Yesterday #211
It is an unfortunate reality. I certainly don't believe in delusional Trump-style conspiracy theories. tritsofme Yesterday #213
You're not the one I'm asking. brush Yesterday #214
I answered anyways! You are very welcome! tritsofme Yesterday #215
I had a dialogue going with someone else. Sorry. brush Yesterday #216
How about we not sound lke the YouTube scholars on the right? Cuthbert Allgood Wednesday #144
It wouldn't surprise me one bit. n/t ailsagirl Yesterday #210
Kristen gilla brand got ninety percent of the vote Tribetime Thursday #173
Are you saying in the precinct where Kamala got no votes????? MadameButterfly Thursday #175
But it was a county, not a precinct Bob_in_VA Thursday #192
No it specifies districts in Rockland. Overall country results here: TheProle Thursday #198
Someone needs to explain to me how hundreds of people voted for Gillibrand Wingus Dingus Wednesday #2
And, if I remember correctly... appmanga Wednesday #13
Rockland is big, but the individual districts within it are not. thesquanderer Wednesday #109
And all of those 554 voters were Haredi Jews Random Boomer Wednesday #133
And a woman. legallyblondeNYC Thursday #195
Thanks (nt) appmanga Thursday #183
Someone needs to explain to me... returnee Wednesday #42
And always by the same people questionseverything Wednesday #80
Unless they're in Arizona or Georgia MadameButterfly Thursday #176
And resistance to the idea of actually looking into it and finding out. hamsterjill Wednesday #165
Because there is no evidence to support the claim EdmondDantes_ Thursday #184
I would encourage you to take a look at... returnee Thursday #197
"when my gut tells me something I look to see if there's anything that might support it." TheProle Thursday #199
Well then, I guess that's settled... returnee Thursday #202
I've looked. It's nothing but suppositions and uncited data EdmondDantes_ Thursday #209
Because it was nutty when republicans believed the same thing four years earlier and it's still nutty today FBaggins Thursday #203
Check my post above... returnee Thursday #204
Why not just look at reporting from right after the election? FBaggins Thursday #206
P.S.: returnee Thursday #205
I asked that question here on DU about some counties in the swing states in late November yobrault1 Wednesday #47
In 2020, same precinct was 528 trump to 0 Biden. Guess that was hacked too. Silent Type Wednesday #48
I'll wait for the lawsuit to play out before I draw conclusions. Wingus Dingus Wednesday #53
Absolutely rigged too. Only a moron would believe there was no rigging/money changing hands. brush Wednesday #60
Honestly, I think "morons" ignore facts. Silent Type Wednesday #63
Whatever that means. Let's try idiot. Idiots will believe that trump won the election. brush Wednesday #67
Hope we don't run on that conspiracy theory in midterms. I'd like a chance at House. Silent Type Wednesday #73
Unjoy your stay. brush Wednesday #76
Oh, I like that phrase! KPN Thursday #194
I'm pretty sure you've heard it before. brush Thursday #207
Well then. I'll take that under advisement. KPN Thursday #208
You disagree so the poster insinuates you'll get booted from the site Ponietz Wednesday #152
You are right, why didn't Harris, Biden, anyone, protest? Gotta admit, it was tough for me to accept we lost to Silent Type Wednesday #160
MAGA has always existed in some form Ponietz Thursday #181
Not rigged, just a sociological zebra Random Boomer Wednesday #137
Nah, there are always a few contrarians who love to go against the grain. brush Wednesday #139
Only in a larger community Random Boomer Wednesday #143
Nope, and I'll also never belief that trump won all the swing states. brush Wednesday #145
Swing states would make much more sense Random Boomer Wednesday #148
And therein lies the rub. DiamondShark Thursday #174
I never said he won the swing states... Random Boomer Wednesday #151
You should make this a separate post. Maybe more people would see it. I'm glad you shared it. LauraInLA Wednesday #119
That district votes as a bloc Random Boomer Wednesday #135
This! Doodley Wednesday #153
A staunch NYC Democrat explained it to me Random Boomer Wednesday #126
aren't non-Jews allowed to vote in the county though? (nt) cadoman Wednesday #149
for the umpeenth time: the zero votes weren't countywide. onenote Wednesday #166
It's not a county result Random Boomer Thursday #187
Yeah, that makes no sense at all.... Not that such an anomaly makes any difference in New York Jack Valentino Wednesday #164
Would a draft-dodging, casino-hustling, G.O.P. felon/rapist cheat? BoRaGard Wednesday #3
Absolutely! It's what T💩p does. He and Eloon bragged about it. OMGWTF Wednesday #18
I mark his admission of the fix being in returnee Wednesday #49
Man who cheated on all three wives mahina Wednesday #112
No shit! MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #169
Whichever of Musk's whiz kids was assigned that district got a little overzealous. nt Buns_of_Fire Wednesday #4
Wonder just how much fraud really happened in these last elections. Zero votes for Kamala? That's as SWBTATTReg Wednesday #5
So how do you know the other results are "lawful "? questionseverything Wednesday #6
Because zero votes is a statistical impossibility. Basso8vb Wednesday #34
I agree the zero is impossible but the same machine that produced the zero produced the other results questionseverything Wednesday #37
I believe a targeted digital attack is possible. returnee Wednesday #50
Off course a targeted digital attack is possible but questionseverything Wednesday #62
Any kind of attack was completely unnecessary in NY State Random Boomer Wednesday #142
Hence the investigation and lawsuit. Basso8vb Wednesday #97
👍 questionseverything Wednesday #98
Statistical Methods, By Definition.... ProfessorGAC Wednesday #125
Statistics are about averages, not specifics, and this specific case is different Random Boomer Wednesday #129
It's only impossible if you assume general voting patterns Random Boomer Wednesday #130
You clearly know nothing about statistics. Wiz Imp Wednesday #155
I'm reading on Politifact that it was a Hasidic Jewish district and that they Wingus Dingus Wednesday #8
The candidate who instigated the probe says she has affidavits from people who voted in the district Prairie Gates Wednesday #12
It's not entirely Hasidic. It's right over the Tappan Zee bridge. There are Hasidic pockets around Pomona, but Scrivener7 Wednesday #15
They're not talking about all of Rockland county. Just one district, which had 554 total voters. thesquanderer Wednesday #110
OK. Thanks. Scrivener7 Wednesday #124
I know people in Rockland who voted for Harris/Walz. returnee Wednesday #52
See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #111
you've got your work cut out for you but thank you for re-iterating this (nt) cadoman Wednesday #150
How come when I brought this up a couple of weeks ago, Bluetus Wednesday #134
Rockland County is roughly 31.4% Jewish, and they are NOT all Hasidic, although the Hasidic community is significant! markpkessinger Wednesday #78
I think the confusion lies in the fact that Harris DID get votes in that county as a whole, but Wingus Dingus Wednesday #82
See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #116
Some of the wards that voted heavily or almost unanimously for Trump also voted heavily for Gillibrand's opponent. onenote Wednesday #104
Gillibrand worked hard to get their votes Random Boomer Wednesday #136
It's coming up now because a local candidate for a small local office in the district disputed Prairie Gates Wednesday #9
Because there is no there there Random Boomer Wednesday #138
This obviously needs more attention. beveeheart Wednesday #7
And more attention should have been DENVERPOPS Wednesday #21
No it does not. Random Boomer Wednesday #140
I'm sure the current DOJ is looking into it. multigraincracker Wednesday #10
I remain malaise Wednesday #11
Something stinks alright, besides Captain Pantload himself Blue Owl Wednesday #22
I'm with you, malaise peggysue2 Wednesday #24
Doubting returnee, here. n/t returnee Wednesday #54
Don't take just anyone's word; try this source. usaf-vet Wednesday #31
It's obvious trump/musk bought the election. Harris should be president. brush Wednesday #66
I've been following this case. Really, everyone here should be. Karasu Wednesday #14
Ah see Hornedfrog2000 Wednesday #16
The OP is deceptive: it's not Rockland County as a whole, but one voting district in Rockland County Prairie Gates Wednesday #44
No Harris votes in Rockland County definitely points to cheating. But what an odd County to choose. It wouldn't Scrivener7 Wednesday #17
For a narcissist, it would be as important to win the popular vote as the electoral vote. Pacifist Patriot Wednesday #20
Bingo! He wanted them to make sure he got Quakerfriend Wednesday #33
Maybe the cheater is really bad at cheating Auggie Wednesday #35
It's not the whole county, but one district Prairie Gates Wednesday #45
Even more unlikely. District 17 encompasses all of Rockland county, all of Putnam county, some of Westchester Scrivener7 Wednesday #64
The district in question isn't Congressional 'district 17' -- its Rockland County district of Ramapo onenote Wednesday #99
OK. Thanks. Scrivener7 Wednesday #123
The zero votes was in one small district, 554 total voters. See post #110. (n/t) thesquanderer Wednesday #117
She didn't get zero votes in the county. She got zero votes in some wards within the county onenote Wednesday #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Wednesday #72
See post #110. It was not Rockland county, it was just one small district within the county. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #115
It does NOT point to cheating if you know the area Random Boomer Wednesday #128
But she won New York State easily. BlueTsunami2018 Wednesday #19
2024 Presidential and Senate Results Called Into Question as Lawsuit Advances 121 million views for our Rockland County littlemissmartypants Wednesday #23
Marking for election info questionseverything 17 hrs ago #217
Where are they getting the "zero votes" info? Very misleading headline! Pacifist Patriot Wednesday #25
Biden won Rockland County by only 2600 votes in 2020 onenote Wednesday #38
In Rampo precinct 35, Biden lost 528 trump to 0 Biden in 2020. Guess that was hacked too. Silent Type Wednesday #58
Hacked isn't really the correct term questionseverything Wednesday #69
One "conspiracy" theory, maybe. Silent Type Wednesday #74
If it's a "conspiracy " to believe the American people have the right to oversee their own elections? questionseverything Wednesday #81
We lost. We need to come to grips with that to move forward and win against, rather than sounding Silent Type Wednesday #85
Or I could listen to Obama who said, " we have to beat them so bad there is no doubt " questionseverything Wednesday #89
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Wednesday #88
Zero votes was within one small district within the county, with 554 total voters. (nt) thesquanderer Wednesday #113
Thank you! Pacifist Patriot Wednesday #131
Here's a link to the lawsuit... ultralite001 Wednesday #26
Additional details are also noted here: ultralite001 Thursday #178
Information about "algorithms" + rigging the vote... ultralite001 Thursday #179
0 votes for Harris in a county of 340,000 is simply impossible. Fil1957 Wednesday #27
I think she received votes in the county, but in a district within that county (smaller unit) Wingus Dingus Wednesday #28
A district within Rockland county Prairie Gates Wednesday #46
Actually not even the district -- certain wards in Ramapo. onenote Wednesday #56
That isn't what the certified results on the NY elections website shows onenote Wednesday #29
You are looking at the county results while the article talks about a district questionseverything Wednesday #61
And the headline says zero votes in a New York County not in a part of a New York County. onenote Wednesday #71
Well read past the first line? questionseverything Wednesday #87
If an article claimed to be written by journalists starts off with such a blatant lie MichMan Wednesday #93
Take it up with the New York state Supreme Court questionseverything Wednesday #94
Whoever wrote that headline needs to find a new line of work. MichMan Wednesday #95
I actually edited it Just_Vote_Dem Wednesday #101
Because the validity of the allegations in UnderThisLaw Wednesday #118
Yes, it's a deceptive headline. (n/t) thesquanderer Wednesday #114
ANother article about this: Amaryllis Wednesday #30
Politifact explains the facts. Seems trump beat Biden in 2020 by 528-0. Silent Type Wednesday #32
If you survey 528 people on ANY topic Seinan Sensei Wednesday #120
Voting ain't a survey. Conspiracy theories, refusal to accept defeat, and, worse won't win elections. Silent Type Wednesday #122
I hate to break it to you, but by your logic, Obama cheated to win both elections in 2008 and 2012 Wiz Imp Wednesday #158
But...But...But it's a statistical impossibility according to some. MichMan Wednesday #168
Well, well, well. Who is really surprised? Hope this can of worms gets ripped wide open. Joinfortmill Wednesday #36
what I like about these stories is this... Javaman Wednesday #39
Apparently reading the article isn't a thing EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #40
I will believe until the day I die Grim Chieftain Wednesday #41
Just as January 6 crowd believes that 2020 was stolen Jose Garcia Thursday #188
Oh, there is no comparison Grim Chieftain Thursday #189
It's actually the exact same thing, with the exact same silly conspiracy theories. tritsofme Thursday #200
I have heard that district voted 80% + for Gov. Hochul in 2022 Botany Wednesday #43
Recommended. H2O Man Wednesday #51
Elon frucked up on that one! C Moon Wednesday #59
All 331 votes in obnoxiousdrunk Wednesday #65
And there's the problem with conspiracy theories Sympthsical Wednesday #68
Better tell the New York Supreme Court then questionseverything Wednesday #91
That's not support for the conspiracies Sympthsical Wednesday #92
To be fair to the Internet, conspiracy theories existed long before it EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #121
You are leaving out the New York Supreme Court ordered the hand count questionseverything Wednesday #156
You are basing that on a sentence in the Latin Times article that is simply wrong. onenote 16 hrs ago #218
My original reply was that evidence has been given which is still correct questionseverything 16 hrs ago #219
No, I'm vigilant about anyone sneaking in misinformation onenote 15 hrs ago #220
Voting statistic analysis anomalies angryxyouth Wednesday #70
University of Michigan statistical analysis angryxyouth Wednesday #83
Someone who orchestrated an insurrection, is Emile Wednesday #75
Apparently MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #170
I don't buy that. greatauntoftriplets Wednesday #77
Does anybody remember how the orange twerp said that he had a little.... Butterflylady Wednesday #79
Ask 20 voters on the street if anyone voted for Harris. BidenRocks Wednesday #84
Or put out a bulletin asking anyone Tree Lady Wednesday #127
Well thats odd...... Historic NY Wednesday #86
Ya right! Evolve Dammit Wednesday #90
Unlikely that no votes there Nululu Wednesday #96
Something isn't right. COL Mustard Wednesday #103
Wouldn't this trigger a lawsuit, perhaps a class action, by registered democratic voters no_hypocrisy Wednesday #105
Let's just say four of eLoon's engineers popped up and said, "we are part of the team that stole the 2024 election flashman13 Wednesday #108
America is under siege. And it blows my mind that election officials haven't audited the results on their own ffr Wednesday #132
Totally inaccurate headline. It NEEDS TO BE CHANGED! Wiz Imp Wednesday #141
Thank you!! Yes, exactly this Random Boomer Wednesday #147
The votes have been rigged since W was selected Farmer-Rick Wednesday #159
It's Kool-Aid for the parched Ponietz Wednesday #157
Question the voters Puppyjive Wednesday #146
HAND RECOUNT - that is the purpose - why did it take so long??? RandomNumbers Wednesday #161
Interesting. Martin68 Wednesday #162
Sheesh. So many people here who can't seem to read. Wiz Imp Wednesday #163
One could ask voters there if they would like to declare they voted for Harris. Sure to get more than, say, 7. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #171
Bookmarking to read later. yellow dahlia Thursday #172
Where in Rockland County, Kiryas Joel?. HarryM Thursday #180
New Square New York onenote Thursday #182
Oopsies looks like loonie left a trail. Clouds Passing Thursday #185
Please correct this PFparks Thursday #190
This is interesting Snackshack Thursday #191
This is in Mike Lawler's district. legallyblondeNYC Thursday #196
Well... ROCKLAND COUNTY... what dya expect? Montauk6 Thursday #201
I can't find the news account online right now, but I saw the account of 2 women who started this recount BComplex Yesterday #212
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