Does anyone here really take issue with Israel dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program?

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65. Three problematic things, our history, normalizing preemptive strikes, what happens after

One- Our, the US, history in Iran specifically, but in some other countries as well, is not good. WE enabled the coup that brought the Shah to power and backed him after. That was a brutal regime as well, and the current government was the reaction to our actions. There are valid reasons for Iran to NOT like or trust us. Just as there are valid reasons for us to not like or trust Iran. And I don't like nor trust them. There are times we have struck against Iran for their actions, such as when we sunk their navy. And those aggressive actions were warranted, and yet showed restraint. There were targeted, and limited. But there have also been times when we have proven to not be trust worthy- backing out of the Nuclear deal, having presidents who prioritized bluster rather than diplomacy and backing groups that have been disruptive to the government of Iran are some examples. How many times do we get to literally play king maker in other countries? We've invaded countries and toppled governments on the behalf of fruit companies. In many, many ways we have been the good guys. Done amazing things and help people all over the world. The kind of things Musk and Trump put a stop to. But we have also NOT been the good guys in other countries. The kind of things that I do not want Trump to get a taste for.

Two- normalizing preemptive strikes is very dangerous and worry some. What is the criteria for preemptive strikes? What evidence do we need? Does every country get to do them, or just the ones we like? What repercussions should a country that engages in preemptive strikes have? How would "legitimate" preemptive strikes differ from "we are powerful so we can get away with it"? If our government voices a desire for regime change, would a preemptive strike against us be an act of war, or just them defending themselves, preemptively? Sure, nukes makes things different, but we had a deal and WE didn't live up to it. And Bibi wanted us to leave the deal. That matters also.

Three- what happens after we topple the Iranian government? Do we just leave the vacuum and hope nothing bad, like Isis 2.0, comes out of it? Do we put troops on the ground? We own what comes after toppling a government. And we have not had the best results recently with what comes after. Do we remake ourselves in Putin's image? Making puppet states when other countries don't do what we want? How should other countries view us and our actions? Both the macro and the micro "what happens after" matter a lot. And we will own it, even if we try to walk away.

This is not simple or easy. So no, I don't like that we are here. I don't like the possibility of us finally granting Bibi's wish of our getting into a war with Iran. I'm kind of tired of feeling like we are not Israel's friend and ally but rather Bibi's stooge and patsy. I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but I also don't like how we got here. I think we need to make some major changes in our relationship with Israel. Not that we abandon them or that they need to be our puppet, but I don't see a lot of respect for the US in the current dynamic. How we follow through with our commitments, both to allies and adversaries, also needs some changes. Though the Native American part of me says Washington lies when it makes a treaty, I'd really like that to not be true.