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angrychair

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78. Let's give Peace a chance

Wed Jun 18, 2025, 03:29 AM

Jun 18

We, as a nation, seem to have a fetish for killing brown skin people. We can't help ourselves. Also, we, very apparently, love violence. It's a simple truths.

We had a fucking deal. President Obama managed to get a deal but the Mango Mussolini fucked us. All we had to do we make the damn deal.

Don't we have enough violence here? We don't need to export it. Don't we have enough murdered school children here? We don't need to export it. We have enough crimes against humanity here. We didn't need to export it. Their new war is not about changing the government unless the new leader is an obedient lapdog for Israel and the US. Which is EXACTLY what people in Iran and everywhere else in the ME will now think. This is a fucking disaster.
In order for regime change to work it had to be done organically and carried out by the Iranian people themselves.

A war with Iran will destabilize the region for decades. Cause militants and terrorist organizations ranks to swell and put all of us in great danger.
This should have been resolved PEACEFULLY.

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Does anyone here really take issue with Israel dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program? [View all] PeaceWave Jun 17 OP

The lack of self-awareness is fucking stunning Prairie Gates Jun 17 #1

Agreed. Warmonger Netanyahu was losing favor with world allies in his ethnic cleansing and starvation... brush Jun 18 #103

It has never been about Iran having nukes...It's about regime change. Butterflylady Jun 18 #105

I get you, similar to Putin and his Vladivostok to the Atlantic wet dream. brush Jun 18 #109

No. But if we can help Israel eliminate nukes from Iran and possibly impose regime change then we can help Ukraine. OrlandoDem2 Jun 17 #2

It sort of helps Ukraine Delarage Jun 17 #32

Last time we got into regime change with Iran, we fucked it up pretty badly. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 17 #64

Right? I'm sure it will all go well Bettie Jun 18 #107

Iran is a rogue state because of it's leadership maxrandb Jun 17 #67

I have zero problem Dorian Gray Jun 17 #69

Okay atreides1 Jun 18 #102

This article Dorian Gray Jun 19 #114

What if Iran doesn't have nukes? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 20 #118

I'm hoping it will at least help Ukraine indirectly. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #80

Trust between nations Johnny2X2X Jun 17 #3

Add in that Netanyahu pushed Trump to leave Iran deal karynnj Jun 17 #37

On the other hand Iran was financing and supplying comradebillyboy Jun 17 #52

Except for the Wahabbi ones AZProgressive Jun 18 #84

The Gulf Arabs of the Sunni persuasion do comradebillyboy Jun 18 #91

"Our own intelligence" is Tulsi Gabbard. She's Putin's eyes, ears, nose, and throat, and not trustworthy. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #81

So what's your take on this??? womanofthehills Jun 20 #116

Russia is constantly making empty threats, and Maria Zakharova is a notorious drunken bufoon. Crunchy Frog Jun 20 #117

my issue is with removing the intelligence assets who might contradict israel's assessment rampartd Jun 17 #4

Great, great thread. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #5

But it's Israel doing it, so for many DUers, that automatically makes it a terrible thing. DavidDvorkin Jun 17 #6

Way too many people in DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing and uponit7771 Jun 17 #30

I sure as hell don't MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #31

Right, the imenent WMD threat was used in the 2000s with more trustworthy characters and they lied then.... uponit7771 Jun 17 #35

Way too many people on DU don't trust BB or Trump to do the right thing? choie Jun 17 #68

The world has two rogue nuclear-armed states. AloeVera Jun 17 #7

Four. There are *four* rogue nuclear states. sir pball Jun 17 #50

You forgot USA... JanMichael Jun 17 #55

Sorry, but just no. We are one of the five "legal" nuclear states. sir pball Jun 17 #62

And russia. Which, so far, has actively been threatening nuclear attacks against other countries. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #82

Thanks, just read up on it. AloeVera Jun 17 #57

Good post. egduj Jun 17 #60

How about dismantling Israel's nuclear weapons program? Bmoboy Jun 17 #8

This x 1000. travelingthrulife Jun 17 #13

Yeah, that never comes up.. AloeVera Jun 17 #23

So why not dismantle the other illegal, rogue programs? sir pball Jun 17 #51

I'm all for that!! AloeVera Jun 17 #56

Make them illegal? Why didn't anyone else think of that???? NoRethugFriends Jun 17 #63

Lots of people thought of it but it's still not in effect. AloeVera Jun 17 #71

How in the world would you ban them? NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #115

We live in a M.A.D., M.A.D. world... AloeVera Jun 20 #119

Wow. So you think magical thinking works. Some of us live in the real world. NoRethugFriends Jun 20 #120

You're right. We never should have gone for civil rights, banning land mines or apartheid. AloeVera Jun 20 #121

It's a nice idea, but I don't see how it could possibly be enforced. Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #83

YES! ILikePie92 Jun 17 #54

That would require consistency and that one standard be applied to all nations equally. jcmaine72 Jun 17 #70

I Don't Have Any Easy Answer Here (as there likely are none), But Thought Someone Needed to Break the Silence The Roux Comes First Jun 17 #9

Not Me Deep State Witch Jun 17 #10

I think it's Israel bombing Yemen, Lebanon, Seria, Iran & 0ccupied Palestine area womanofthehills Jun 17 #33

How you do it actually matters. meadowlander Jun 17 #11

I saw a chart this evening tonekat Jun 17 #74

T H I S - two thoughts Cosmocat Jun 18 #86

It's not stopping there. Klarkashton Jun 17 #12

Several things are off here unblock Jun 17 #14

Dismantling it?Is that what they are calling bombing both military and civilian sites? travelingthrulife Jun 17 #15

Apparently some do mcar Jun 17 #16

Yeah, the ones who don't trust BB or Trump one ounce uponit7771 Jun 17 #28

Nena's pro-peace song is relevant to your position how? muriel_volestrangler Jun 17 #17

Well, I take issue with any action that kills innocent people. MineralMan Jun 17 #18

I'd even give Trump a wave if he can gert both Iran and Israel to disarm. Ping Tung Jun 17 #19

Israel hate is strong. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #20

So is BB and Trump trust uponit7771 Jun 17 #25

We agree. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #27

Except that is not what is happening. Eko Jun 17 #21

The real issue is not their nuclear program, which has been halted. ananda Jun 17 #22

Someone threatened to use nukes? I missed that part. JoseBalow Jun 17 #48

***NO ONE TRUST BB!!!*** Stop with the bad faith questions uponit7771 Jun 17 #24

Not particularly. Iran is a sponsor of terrorism and quite frankly, harumph Jun 17 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 18 #98

I think a large portion of the concern deals with process and methodology rather than conclusion Torchlight Jun 17 #29

This. The original question is loaded EdmondDantes_ Jun 17 #61

Immediately after Khomeini took over Iran, he declared Israel a cancerous growth that needs eliminating question everything Jun 17 #34

If Iraq had nukes, george war bush would never have invaded them. I understand why countries want nukes. Silent Type Jun 17 #36

Rogue nation with nukes... 1WorldHope Jun 17 #38

Yesterdays dead Israelis might lame54 Jun 17 #39

Generally, no. But I don't approve of direct U.S. involvement either. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #40

You're right, they most certainly will not, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #44

Yep. And that's particularly true of the young broccoli head male voters who supported him last year. BannonsLiver Jun 17 #46

I think it's a good idea not to unnecessarily escalate with other sovereign nations. nt Gore1FL Jun 17 #41

I'm conflicted... Mike Nelson Jun 17 #42

A nuclear free Iran at all costs. nt William769 Jun 17 #43

Israel and Iran deserve better leaders DemocratSinceBirth Jun 17 #45

I have a huge issue with it ShadesOfBlue Jun 17 #47

That's not really what this is about. AloeVera Jun 17 #49

What nuclear weapons program? ILikePie92 Jun 17 #53

Israel dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons program that United States Autumn Jun 17 #58

That Tulsi Gabbard Mountainguy Jun 18 #96

Not just Gabbard. What Trump and Netanyahu are doing is illegal. Don''t pretend Autumn Jun 18 #97

With all respect and civility: NO! Bread and Circuses Jun 17 #59

Three problematic things, our history, normalizing preemptive strikes, what happens after Zipgun Jun 17 #65

Solid post. Aussie105 Jun 18 #89

Great post ShadesOfBlue Jun 18 #95

So Iran has a nuclearprogram inside the state tv station and Israel found out and bombed during a live Nanjeanne Jun 17 #66

Lol. Don't forget one of their hospitals too. AloeVera Jun 17 #73

Iran was negotiating a deal with the US AZProgressive Jun 17 #72

Jaime Rubin says Iran doesn't have a iemanja Jun 18 #75

Absolutely NOT ... nt Raine Jun 18 #76

Israel will do what it must to defend itself... AntiFascist Jun 18 #77

The Arab states will do nothing DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 18 #85

China, Russia and North Korea form an axis that is also allied with Iran... AntiFascist Jun 18 #108

For them to do anything they would have needed to have made preparations months ago, which would have been noticed DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 19 #111

China is the wildcard in this equation... AntiFascist Jun 19 #112

Let's give Peace a chance angrychair Jun 18 #78

Strange how any one person, one leader, or one country can decide who deserves to have nukes, and who doesn't. Aussie105 Jun 18 #79

No one needs nukes... OC375 Jun 18 #87

You can't blame any country for wanting nukes. Emile Jun 18 #88

What nuclear weapons program? AStern Jun 18 #90

No! Not as long as it is Israel maxrandb Jun 18 #92

US intel says they don't have nukes and Netanyahu offer no proof, this is just war hungry nobs starting another war krawhitham Jun 18 #93

Yes if it leads to WWIII the_liberal_grandpa Jun 18 #94

How about this compromise indusurb Jun 18 #99

The market system will probably fill in for their needs Strelnikov_ Jun 18 #100

Im for dismantling all nuclear programs. Not blowing up uranium in highly populated regions. SSJVegeta Jun 18 #101

Do you have an issue with Israel dragging us into a war with Iran and opening us up to other blowback? CentralMass Jun 18 #104

I'd like to see hard evidence that Iran... -misanthroptimist Jun 18 #106

you mean countries with a shit-ton of nukes... mike_c Jun 18 #110

I wonder what that "dismantling" by Israel would entail, you know... MineralMan Jun 19 #113

The U.S. could show them. AloeVera Jun 20 #122