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Celerity

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92. Using Conspiracy Theories to Make Sense of a Loss
Wed Jun 18, 2025, 07:27 PM
Jun 18




Election Denial Conspiracy Theories Are Exploding on X. This Time They’re Coming From the Left

Conspiracy theories about missing votes—which are not, in fact, missing—and something being “not right” are being spread widely on X in the wake of Donald Trump’s election victory.

https://www.wired.com/story/election-denial-conspiracy-theories-x-left-blueanon/

https://archive.ph/p1DEg

It took just minutes for the conspiracy theories about the 2024 US presidential election to flood Elon Musk’s X platform after Donald Trump was announced as the winner in the early hours of Wednesday morning. The number of posts casting doubt on the election results and calling for a recount exploded on Wednesday morning, according to data from research company PeakMetrics. At noon Eastern time, posts on centibillionaire Elon Musk’s X platform peaked at 94,000 posts per hour. Many of the posts received significant amplification on X, with numerous posts reviewed by WIRED receiving more than 1 million views. “How can we have had record turnout and twenty million fewer votes cast nationally?” author John Pavlovitz wrote in a post viewed 5.3 million times.

Gordon Crovitz, the CEO of NewsGuard, told WIRED that the term “Trump cheated” was trending on X on Wednesday morning. “There are 92,100 mentions of ‘Trump cheated’ on X since midnight,” Crovitz said. The exact details of the conspiracy theories are still being ironed out by those promoting them, but for the Harris supporters sharing them, her loss was reason enough to indulge in pushing baseless disinformation about the election being stolen. Meanwhile, the massive pro-Trump election denial movement that sprung up in the wake of the 2020 election remained virtually silent on Wednesday morning, in comparison to the flood of content it shared in the days and weeks leading up to the election.

“It doesn't matter whether baseless allegations about voting irregularities come from the right or the left,” says Nina Jankowicz, the former Biden administration disinformation czar who is now CEO of the American Sunlight Project. “The impact on our system of these lies is the same: People will end up trusting the infrastructure of democracy less, setting us up for more disinformation and disengagement. These drop-offs in trust take decades to undo. Take a look at countries in Eastern Europe that have been attempting to rebuild trust in the system since the ‘90s. We should all be wary of these allegations, no matter their source.” The posts calling for a recount used a variety of hashtags including #donotconcedekamala and phrases like “math ain’t mathing.”

Many of them contained vague claims that “something is very off.” The one specific claim being made by many of these accounts suggests that there are 20 million “missing votes.” While at publication time the Associated Press’ vote count was indeed 16 million votes lower than that for the 2020 election, the explanation is trivially simple: The entirety of the vote hasn’t been tabulated yet. “Election denial is anti-democratic, whether it comes from the left or the right,” David Becker, executive director of the nonpartisan Center for Election Innovation and Research, wrote on X. “No, 20 million votes aren’t missing. Votes are still being counted in many states, including millions in CA alone. Number of votes in 2024 very close to 2020, when all are reported.”

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Has anyone contacted Sidney Powell? She would be a perfect fit for this "movement"! tritsofme Jun 17 #1
Sure tintinvotes Jun 17 #2
Nice parry... Hugin Jun 17 #3
Given that's what the evidence supports yes that is easier to believe EdmondDantes_ Jun 17 #4
The biggest harm in this conspiracy theory is that it makes citizens even more apathetic Ponietz Jun 17 #9
2000? Perfect example. stillcool Jun 17 #37
Sorry, 2000 was a typo -- should have been 2020 Ponietz Jun 17 #41
I remember in 2015 when people said the same Hornedfrog2000 Jun 17 #40
Russian influence was pretty clear to me then Ponietz Jun 17 #42
Poorly informed suppositions? Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #22
thank you Celerity Jun 18 #91
The Brennan Center has answers for you stillcool Jun 17 #29
What do you mean "Not something even Obama did"? Self Esteem Jun 17 #7
There were numerous bomb threats on election day IbogaProject Jun 17 #8
Real experts, with actual credibility, like Marc Elias say there was no fraud tritsofme Jun 17 #12
I think the world of Marc Elias. I contribute to him every month. But here is where he is totally wrong. BComplex Jun 17 #16
Except he is not wrong, he just wasn't fooled by delusional conspiracy theories. tritsofme Jun 17 #24
I feel there was a party line after the election, that even Marc Elias (who I adore) bought into. yellow dahlia Jun 18 #93
Me, too, yellow dahlia. BComplex Jun 18 #100
I get the motivation to look like (and BE) the good guys...BUT. yellow dahlia Jun 19 #102
I agree! I think we need to have a public "town hall" with all the dem strategists, and see when BComplex Jun 19 #103
Except you have no evidence, just theories Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #21
No. Trump told us they stole it. BComplex Jun 17 #27
Nope, that's not evidence Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #38
and you consider those wild (and essentially meaningless) ramblings - to somehow be ... stopdiggin Jun 17 #43
The bomb threats were a real issue but certainly not one that decided the election. Self Esteem Jun 17 #60
The more than three and a half million voters... Chemical Bill Jun 17 #61
This claim just doesn't stand to scrutiny. Self Esteem Jun 17 #62
Interesting you focus on one state. Chemical Bill Jun 18 #97
I'm focusing on one state because it would have been extremely difficult for Harris to win the election without PA. Self Esteem Jun 19 #106
Perhaps you are correct... Chemical Bill Jun 18 #98
I think logically, we can assume that there wasn't 100,000+ people who didn't vote... Self Esteem Jun 19 #105
Well over 200,000 votes... Chemical Bill Jun 19 #107
Post removed Post removed Jun 20 #110
Their proof... Chemical Bill Jun 21 #111
on this we agree Celerity Jun 18 #90
EAC tests voting equipment on a regular basis -- the changes were de minimis cadoman Jun 17 #5
From the article questionseverything Jun 18 #81
Yes, some of us have been paying attention since November. yellow dahlia Jun 18 #94
This is my summary - Tbone421 Jun 17 #6
Thiel has connections to Triplite and Palantir, Soros has connections to Dominion and Smartmatic cadoman Jun 17 #19
Marjorie Greene is an investor in Palantir. Initech Jun 17 #58
Kooky CT nonsense. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #20
I hear you angrychair Jun 17 #26
Bullshit. Your statement is 100% false. Wiz Imp Jun 17 #30
Of all the people that post theories, etc lapfog_1 Jun 17 #34
Very much agreed Metaphorical Jun 17 #52
I notice the regular naysayers never answer you! questionseverything Jun 18 #76
once there was this thing called the Arpanet lapfog_1 Jun 18 #89
Leonard Leo, Elon Musk, and Peter Thiel ... had it all ready to go. Btw Ohio's 2024 Senate race was dirty too. Botany Jun 17 #10
Then why did Musk spend several hundred million on getting the vote out for Trump? Doodley Jun 17 #32
Because he was compiling a tranche of voters that could be "called in" as needed. Botany Jun 17 #36
I've always thought Ohio didn't pass the smell test. yellow dahlia Jun 18 #95
Ivanka got EVMs as part of a deal with China Blue Full Moon Jun 17 #11
Thank dog most people don't buy this conspiracy theory. We lost, now let's focus on primaries. Silent Type Jun 17 #13
Sure 1 in 76 million is such a nothing stat. Botany Jun 17 #15
Show your math Mountainguy Jun 17 #59
Show your math questionseverything Jun 18 #77
I'm not the person you're resonding to, but the polling was clear it was a razor tight race and they were tied EdmondDantes_ Jun 18 #83
Ty but national polls really don't show us anything especially with only a thousand people questionseverything Jun 18 #86
Easy Mountainguy Jun 18 #87
80,000 simulations, I'm pretty sure anyone could find any result they wanted questionseverything Jun 18 #88
Math you want? Botany Jun 19 #104
What? Mountainguy Jun 19 #108
Well it's already got 40 recs Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #18
Sailed, horizon, long gone Sympthsical Jun 17 #53
So true, and so sad. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #56
Using Conspiracy Theories to Make Sense of a Loss Celerity Jun 18 #92
This election was TOTALLY rigged by the crypto-loving silicon valley billionaires and the Leonard Leos of the world. BComplex Jun 17 #14
So you're accusing Democrats like Kamala Harris and Joe Biden of being complicit in the cover-up of a "stolen election"? tritsofme Jun 17 #28
Ridiculous and delusional? You're treading really close to something that's against the rules here... BComplex Jun 17 #46
Accusing Kamala Harris and Joe Biden of intentionally covering up a "stolen election" is ridiculous and delusional tritsofme Jun 17 #47
"I'm standing by my belief that trump/musk/Russia/LaCivita/Thiel/Leo etc rigged/stole/bomb-threatened our election." Jedi Guy Jun 18 #85
Election denialism does not help Democrats win future elections. Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #17
Statistical analysis shows manipulation angryxyouth Jun 17 #49
Have you contacted the CyberNinjas yet? Fiendish Thingy Jun 17 #50
Dr. Mebane is hardly Cyber Ninjas angryxyouth Jun 18 #64
So I presume Jackson and Mebane will be introducing their "evidence" in court? Fiendish Thingy Jun 18 #65
Dr. Mebane's work is being sited angryxyouth Jun 18 #71
So, the answer is no, at least not yet Fiendish Thingy Jun 18 #72
It's exactly what and why things are happening in Rockland County Ny angryxyouth Jun 18 #99
He did something with his pal of the moment, Musk Joinfortmill Jun 17 #23
Been trying to show data for a month angryxyouth Jun 17 #25
Why did Trump win in all swing states? How about they had a better machine to get the vote out? Doodley Jun 17 #31
this is a danger of living in a bubble/echo chamber AlexSFCA Jun 17 #33
yeah...it's not like the American people stillcool Jun 17 #39
The protesters are at best a few percent of the population. They don't reflect how many people voted Kamala or Trump. Doodley Jun 17 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author stillcool Jun 17 #45
If you actually believe she lost ALL of the seven swing states, valleyrogue Jun 18 #67
Will you be selling a bridge to Kamala Harris? She doesn't buy into these nonsense conspiracy theories. tritsofme Jun 18 #69
Crickets 🦗 Ponietz Jun 18 #84
You're saying election in CA and NY was suspect? AlexSFCA Jun 19 #109
Rockland county mean nothing Historic NY Jun 17 #35
If what you say is true, if the chain of custody was tight then a hand count would prove it questionseverything Jun 17 #55
Nonsense. this is just more 'mighta', 'coulda', 'kinda', stuff stopdiggin Jun 17 #48
What are the odds valleyrogue Jun 18 #68
Democrats showed a deplorable level of interest (and commitment) stopdiggin Jun 18 #70
I still am not buying it that there wasn't cheating going on. valleyrogue Jun 18 #73
except that pre-election polling showed that result to be stopdiggin Jun 18 #74
Please post a link to back up your claim questionseverything Jun 18 #78
nope. do your own work. -(nt)- stopdiggin Jun 18 #79
So nothing, ty for the bump questionseverything Jun 18 #80
the election was over 8 months past stopdiggin Jun 18 #96
I knew something was wrong. Initech Jun 17 #51
Me too mvd Jun 17 #54
Doubting malaise malaise Jun 18 #82
Then why did polls show him either leading or within a point in every swing state? Polybius Jun 17 #57
Kick n/t babydollhead Jun 18 #63
There is no way in hell she lost ALL the "swing" states. valleyrogue Jun 18 #66
Kick and rec. Kingofalldems Jun 18 #75
MAGA hates this thread? B.See Jun 19 #101
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