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Crunchy Frog

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156. And are you able to reach those conclusions on your own

Thu Jun 19, 2025, 08:25 PM

Jun 19

without appealing to the words of a political charlatan like Sachs? It seems to me that you should be.

And yes, I know that Netanyahu has no concern whatsoever about Ukraine. It's just that in this instance, Israel's and Ukraine's interests concerning Iran may coincide. I tend to view this situation through a Ukraine lens.

I don't think you need to worry about Iran being "destroyed". It's a huge country, both geographically and in terms of population.

Are you trying to evaluate me to tell if my views are "acceptable"? Is that why you're asking about how I view Gaza? I think it's at least approaching genocide. It's certainly an attempt at complete ethnic cleansing of the region.

Ultimately I think that Trump is more likely to do what Putin wants than what Netanyahu wants, so maybe that can be a comfort for you.

I doubt that any attempt at a genuine discussion is likely to be productive, but who knows?

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Stop Netanyahu Before He Gets Us All Killed [View all] IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 OP

Netanyahu is pure fucking evil. Initech Jun 17 #1

Mutually assured anihilation for all...but I'm sure warmonger Netanyahu has a mutually assured... brush Jun 18 #106

"Zionist manipulation of US foreign policy". There it is. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #2

Yup, this one is being quite transparent when it comes to Israel and Iran. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #4

I hope they both reduce each other's current governments to RUBBLE. Jack Valentino Jun 19 #112

Hey, I'm all for letting Israel and Iran slug it out without committing US forces into combat, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 19 #115

Thanks, we are in complete agreement on that. Jack Valentino Jun 19 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Ping Tung Jun 17 #9

Are you suggesting that in order to not be an antisemite iemanja Jun 17 #39

Are you suggesting jews control US foreign policy? nt LexVegas Jun 17 #46

The US supports Israel foreign policy iemanja Jun 17 #50

There it is. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #51

You have trouble with reality iemanja Jun 17 #53

Amy Kaplan writes about how the identities of Israel and the US became intertwined iemanja Jun 17 #55

The German Nazis thought much the same.... "manifest destiny" Jack Valentino Jun 19 #109

Netanyahu says jump and Trump asks how high. Yeah you are right. Autumn Jun 18 #89

NO, not "jews"--- but Israelis ?? There's a pretty good argument for THAT... Jack Valentino Jun 19 #108

Thanks for being transparent when it comes to Israel and Iran. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 17 #3

Post removed Post removed Jun 17 #5

It's not claudette Jun 17 #7

It is Mountainguy Jun 17 #8

"Israel's critics are always accused of anti-Semitism , a charge that serves to silence even the mildest questioning of IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #16

Anti-zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #21

LOL, no. Jirel Jun 17 #33

You dont get to redefine bigotry. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #45

LOL, you just did exactly that. Jirel Jun 18 #95

ADL: "Anti-Zionism is antisemitic, in intent or effect" nt LexVegas Jun 18 #97

Is that supposed to end the conversation? choie Jun 18 #103

Extreme far-right Zionism can be viewed the same as Christian Nationalism or Islamic Extremism... AntiFascist Jun 17 #79

No. It's not Autumn Jun 18 #90

No it is NOT Jilly_in_VA Jun 19 #135

.... LexVegas Jun 19 #136

Lol Mountainguy Jun 17 #67

Surely you jest. I guess you are unaware about 2,000+ US companies working in Iran then IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #73

You might want to check the dates Mountainguy Jun 17 #80

If your dates are right,,,, I stand corrected IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #85

More facts...The Israel plot against Abourezk, in his own words..... IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #86

Really? claudette Jun 17 #30

Netanyahu "Getting us all killed"? That's a classic antisemitic trope. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #15

Then how would one say Cuthbert Allgood Jun 17 #34

He has a lot of fans here Bettie Jun 17 #57

yup Skittles Jun 17 #83

I can tell you how one can avoid being antisemitic. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #82

Who made you the arbiter of who is antisemitic? choie Jun 19 #110

My parents and grandparents. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #120

I see choie Jun 19 #125

Have you served on a DU jury? Mosby Jun 19 #128

Yeah choie Jun 19 #129

It is generations of bigots that appointed me. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #130

Geez. What utter nonsense IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #38

How? Mountainguy Jun 17 #69

I've never heard that phrase apllied to either a group of Jews, or all Jews... electric_blue68 Jun 18 #99

"Jews killed Jesus" Beastly Boy Jun 18 #100

Well, I certainly -know about- the "Jews kilked Jesus", 🙄 trope , and the blood libel Lies.... electric_blue68 Jun 18 #101

Was pretty popular in the middle ages Beastly Boy Jun 19 #118

Woah - didn't know about The Black Death/The Plague and Jews. And electric_blue68 Jun 19 #119

Forgot about that one: the Great Replacement antisemitic trope Beastly Boy Jun 19 #123

So wait choie Jun 18 #105

No, I don't think he's saying that. He's talking to me about types of electric_blue68 Jun 19 #107

Attributing to me a stance that I didn't take is indeed illogical. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #124

No it is illogical. choie Jun 19 #126

Do you notice that you keep arguing with something without attributing it to me? Beastly Boy Jun 19 #131

That is ridiculous! choie Jun 18 #104

My point exactly. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #121

And heads of state choie Jun 19 #127

Doesn't make antisemitic tropes any less deadly. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #132

That is just bonkers. Scrivener7 Jun 19 #133

Yep, blood libel is bonkers, just like all other antisemitic tropes. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #134

Completely bonkers. Scrivener7 Jun 19 #138

"Israel's critics are always accused of anti-Semitism", Quote, by US Senator IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #12

"Stop Netanyahu Before He Gets Us All Killed" That's not criticism. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #19

"this is completely genocide and ethnic cleansing.... attacked babies, children, women, the elderly, the disabled, hospita IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #26

I got it the first time, and I still don't care what a hopelessly indoctrinated zealot has to say. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #28

Forget it man atreides1 Jun 17 #29

Truth Bettie Jun 17 #58

He's already done that, hasn't he? MorbidButterflyTat Jun 17 #64

I've said many things against Netanyahu. I never praised him for anything, on DU or elsewhere. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #84

Wow, that's hysteria. Jirel Jun 17 #35

But someone mentioned "before he gets us all killed" Beastly Boy Jun 17 #68

What a crock. Jirel Jun 18 #96

I see that you are not taking "Stop Netanyahu before hegets us all killed" for a factual statement. Beastly Boy Jun 18 #98

How can saying stop one person be a pogrom? Eko Jun 18 #102

What does "get us all killed" mean? Mosby Jun 17 #77

What about the increasing evidence that he is doing all he can to ethnically cleanse Palistine? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 17 #36

What about it? Beastly Boy Jun 17 #81

"there may be evidence of war crimes" choie Jun 19 #152

I thought I made it clear the first time. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #154

it has become quite the cliche Skittles Jun 17 #60

Standard response to any disagreement with Israeli policy IronLionZion Jun 17 #32

yeah, nothing to see here Skittles Jun 17 #49

He's even claudette Jun 17 #6

"this is completely genocide and ethnic cleansing.... attacked babies, children, women, the elderly, the disabled, hospita IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #14

Absolutely claudette Jun 17 #31

"The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he is on." Yossarian from Catch-22 Ping Tung Jun 17 #10

I see the Zionist Occupation Government conspiracy theory is alive and well sarisataka Jun 17 #11

Even the mildest critics...."Israel's critics are always accused of anti-Semitism" IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #13

I only bring up antisemitism when I see antisemitism sarisataka Jun 17 #18

Anti-zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Jun 17 #23

Can we criticize the actions of the Israeli government though? AloeVera Jun 19 #111

Sure if it's clear that you are criticizing the comradebillyboy Jun 19 #122

Certain Israel critics don't see the difference between criticism and antisemitism. Beastly Boy Jun 17 #25

Which part is a conspiracy theory? iemanja Jun 17 #40

The part asserting the entire Middle East and northeastern Africa sarisataka Jun 17 #54

Point taken iemanja Jun 17 #56

Now is when I really miss President Biden. milestogo Jun 17 #17

But "Genocide Joe had to Go" sarisataka Jun 17 #24

Yet you defend the Trump-Netanyahu policies iemanja Jun 17 #41

My prediction leading up to the election sarisataka Jun 17 #48

Of course it's possible I'm mistaken iemanja Jun 17 #52

I most assuredly do NOT sarisataka Jun 17 #59

Your initial post said: iemanja Jun 17 #66

I was repeating the words of the protesters sarisataka Jun 17 #70

I think the time for that has passed iemanja Jun 17 #74

I have hope, though I and many of us may not live to see it sarisataka Jun 17 #78

Israel needs an intervention, not weapons. Dawson Leery Jun 17 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author sarisataka Jun 17 #22

Every time I hear calls for interevention into a parliamentary democracy, Beastly Boy Jun 17 #27

is WWIII a better alterrnative? Skittles Jun 17 #61

No, but thankfully, this is not the only alternative. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #146

Cut their funding. Dawson Leery Jun 18 #91

What do you think the implications of this would be for the US and the Western world? Beastly Boy Jun 18 #92

Both Israel and the US are experiencing democratic backsliding thought crime Jun 19 #143

When an American Jew calls for the two-state solution, and praises Obama's JCPOA, while attacking Netanyahu muriel_volestrangler Jun 17 #37

Anyone who objects to genocide is an antisemite iemanja Jun 17 #43

You know that Jeffery Sachs supports the genocide of Ukraine? Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #94

Ok iemanja Jun 19 #142

It calls into question his reliability as a source. Crunchy Frog Jun 19 #145

Here's objective for you iemanja Jun 19 #151

And are you able to reach those conclusions on your own Crunchy Frog Jun 19 #156

Which words of Sachs' did I use? iemanja Jun 19 #157

I'm sorry. I made my initial comment in the context of the thread as a whole, Crunchy Frog Jun 19 #158

That seems to be Jilly_in_VA Jun 19 #137

My post was sarcastic iemanja Jun 19 #141

Well, maybe Jilly_in_VA Jun 19 #148

Speaking for myself, that's not what I am saying. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #150

And what they're doing in Gaza Jilly_in_VA Jun 19 #153

No, it isn't. Beastly Boy Jun 19 #155

it's the default position Skittles Jun 17 #71

Fuck Common Dreams. W_HAMILTON Jun 17 #42

Guess you ignore the truth too IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #44

What they said about Biden and Kamala was not the truth -- it was their biased and short-sighted opinion. W_HAMILTON Jun 17 #62

Agree, many of their commentators slammed Biden still $$ support to Israel after slaughtering Gaza IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #65

Biden did what he could to rein in a SOVEREIGN NATION. W_HAMILTON Jun 17 #72

Idiots are those going to war now, killing innocent civilians IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #76

Another good source in Middle East Eye IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #47

Good read malaise Jun 17 #63

Both of these opinion sources have advocated outright anti-Jewish views. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 17 #75

Plot against him by Israel IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 17 #87

A cute fantasy, but irrelevant. Made-up conspiracy theories with no factual basis have no hold on me. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 17 #88

Jeffery Sachs???!! Crunchy Frog Jun 18 #93

TOO BAD an Israeli PM who advocated peace was assassinated some decades ago--- Jack Valentino Jun 19 #113

Oh And what a coincidence. "Rabin was assassinated with Netanyahu's cooperation" vanessa_ca Jun 19 #139

Yes. Netanyahu is a terrorist in his own right IMO, Crunchy Frog Jun 19 #147

I want to weep when I imagine where Israel, Palestine and the world would be had Rabin not been assassinated. -eom vanessa_ca Jun 19 #149

I guess I missed the part of the article that describes how to "stop Netanyahu". LudwigPastorius Jun 19 #114

It's interesting what a large percentage of Israel's history that he has been in power. David__77 Jun 19 #117

"Netanyahu" is just a distraction from the "Iran gets no nukes" imperative gulliver Jun 19 #140

"Iran gets no nukes" is a distraction from a violation of rules based order. thought crime Jun 19 #144