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Wiz Imp

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29. Here's the thing - I am actually open to believing that the election wasn't 100% fair

Thu Jun 19, 2025, 08:45 PM

Jun 19

The problem is, there have now been at least a half dozen people or groups supposedly presenting their "evidence" and not a single one of them have shown legitimate data that can be checked and verified. It's all pure speculation. It's actually kind of sad that there are people on the "left" making similar arguments about 2024 to what the "right" made and still make about 2020. The idea that ALL Democratic politicians are ignoring supposedly clear evidence of a stolen election is ludicrous. There are thousands of brilliant people working as Democratic politicians and associated with them. If a single one of them found any of these arguments remotely feasible - they would surely speak out about it. The fact they haven't tells you everything you need to know.

Thankfully, the Democrats don't have idiot lawyers like Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell.

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She Won, Part III: The Devil Is In The Data [View all] liberalla Jun 19 OP

Trump's 'win' was a statistical improbability pfitz59 Jun 19 #1

not in multiple swing states and even in a few national polls Celerity Jun 19 #11

Polls were extraordinarily close. Many within the margin of error.... paleotn Jun 19 #22

Basically the entire country shifted red at the presidential level EdmondDantes_ Jun 19 #45

Not a false impression at all.... paleotn Jun 20 #62

That still shows that harris should have won at least two or three Tribetime Jun 19 #25

Not really fujiyamasan Jun 20 #64

I could accept Harris losing given the last-minute campaign, but valleyrogue Jun 20 #61

Kick SheltieLover Jun 19 #2

Our gut feelings match the real math. yellow dahlia Jun 19 #3

So all 88 swing counties going red, and winning all 7 swing states outside the recount margin? questionseverything Jun 19 #4

The assumptions made to come up with that figure are ridiculous Wiz Imp Jun 19 #14

Could you give us a couple of specific examples to help us sort this out? Thanks. TheRickles Jun 19 #15

Unless they show exactly how they calculated that probability-- and all the input data LymphocyteLover Jun 19 #20

The article at the link describes their calculations: if 88 counties all flipped in one direction TheRickles Jun 19 #31

You can't just look at those that flipped. Wiz Imp Jun 19 #37

But why didn't any counties flip in the other direction? That is the key question. TheRickles Jun 19 #39

Because 90% of counties across the country went more red in 2024 than in 2020 EdmondDantes_ Jun 19 #46

Thank you for providing an actual answer: 90% of counties went redder. TheRickles Jun 19 #47

Most areas went more for Trump than in 2020. Wiz Imp Jun 19 #49

OK thanks. But the 50-50 toss-up is a big assumption for every state LymphocyteLover Jun 19 #53

Zero evidence? Fiendish Thingy Jun 19 #18

Here's the thing - I am actually open to believing that the election wasn't 100% fair Wiz Imp Jun 19 #29

They use their names, the data they use is from government reports questionseverything Jun 19 #28

They use their names? This Will Hold is somebody's name? Wiz Imp Jun 19 #34

Denial is a powerful coping mechanism, and part of grieving a loss Fiendish Thingy Jun 19 #5

Just curious, are you an American citizen questionseverything Jun 19 #7

I'm an American citizen and I agree with them Wiz Imp Jun 19 #13

Dual citizen Fiendish Thingy Jun 19 #17

Where do you vote? questionseverything Jun 19 #24

Nanaimo BC. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 19 #27

I've gotta ask this question. bluestarone Jun 19 #6

They aren't "findings", they are theories Fiendish Thingy Jun 19 #32

Harris/Walz won Clouds Passing Jun 19 #8

You convinced me. Congratulations! What a great argument you present! Wiz Imp Jun 19 #38

I'm not a lawyer, never was a debator. I read the evidence. Clouds Passing Jun 19 #44

Thanx for posting this Botany Jun 19 #9

A lot of Democratic voters were unhappy with the way Biden was treated Bluestocking Jun 19 #10

Many did vote but Peter Thiel's Palantir was running a clean up operation that would hide any evidence of .. Botany Jun 19 #12

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This message was self-deleted by its author fujiyamasan Jun 20 #66

Unless someone includes how many full paper recounts were done in US, ... Festivito Jun 19 #16

I can't believe any of this if it's only from a substack source. There have to be other sources. The Marc Elias Group ancianita Jun 19 #19

Elias is a lawyer, not a computer technician questionseverything Jun 19 #30

His firm is also litigating 55 cases. chowder66 Jun 19 #41

Elias is an incredible player in this fight for democracy questionseverything Jun 19 #42

Indeed he is. chowder66 Jun 19 #50

Why are some people Hornedfrog2000 Jun 19 #21

Bookmark TY Cha Jun 19 #23

i'm not a math person but et tu Jun 19 #26

Eloon and T💩p told on themselves repeatedly. In public. OMGWTF Jun 20 #55

Cant wait for obnoxiousdrunk Jun 19 #33

Certainly worth pursuing. oasis Jun 19 #35

K n R Faux pas Jun 19 #36

If it's true that "everyone hates Ted Cruz," how does he stay in office? calimary Jun 19 #40

yeah... this "math" is trash.......... Takket Jun 19 #43

Kick musette_sf Jun 19 #48

Discrepancies between early/mail-in votes and day-of-election votes. Foolacious Jun 19 #51

Why this is important? Metaphorical Jun 19 #52

Quite simply, the polls were close anyway, but they were wrong. Statistically, that isn't that unlikely. Doodley Jun 20 #54

And here is just a basic little thought. . since everything krasnov spews is niyad Jun 20 #56

KNR and bookmarking. I cannot take much more today. niyad Jun 20 #57

Ok, I've read all the parts, fairly convincing stuff...now... MiHale Jun 20 #58

Oooo-Weee ! ProudToronto Jun 20 #59

Everything just went a little too perfectly for Trump mvd Jun 20 #60

I've thought this since Nov. 6 2024 4catsmom Jun 20 #63