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Martin Eden

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45. That "area's messes" grew from the colonial period

Sun Jun 22, 2025, 03:56 PM

Jun 22

Who knows how the peoples of that area would have organized themselves if not dominated by other powers competing for resources and strategic advantage.

Grievances and humiliation are not easily forgotten or forgiven by proud people with a long cultural history, but such is humanity. Those with superior numbers and technology dominate wherever they can, and victors write the story.

Centuries of slavery in the "Land of the Free" were followed by "Manifest Destiny" westward expansion that entailed genocide against the Native peoples residing here for millenia.

WAR marches on, both sides certain that God is on their side.

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