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Bluetus

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47. Risk/Reward

Mon Jun 23, 2025, 10:31 AM

Jun 23

The more hacking you do, the greater likelihood of exposure. There are reports that Panaltir's role in this endeavor was to choose the targets carefully so as to get just enough votes to win, but no more than necessary, and to do it in a way that covered tracks. That is just an accusation. We don't have proof because AFAIK, nobody has done even the most basic steps of doing manual recounts in any of the areas with peculiar results (such as the Dem Senator receiving many votes while Harris received zero votes.)

Trump and Musk lie a lot, so these could have been idle boasts. But there were specific reports that Musk was able to declare the outcome hours before polls even closed. We need to understand that Musk, Palantir, et al are amoral, sleazy, and very clever people. When Trump says that they know how to manipulate the tabulation process, we should take that seriously.

As far as the down-ballot, Musk got everything he needed by electing Trump. Although he is not known for his personal restraint, I think it is safe to assume that people around him were keenly aware of the risks of exposure and held the line.

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Do you think Trump cheated in the last election? [View all] kentuck Jun 22 OP

Without a doubt yes MustLoveBeagles Jun 22 #1

He wanted to avoid jail. luvallpeeps Jun 22 #2

I think it was partly suppression... kentuck Jun 22 #7

On top of all the ReThug gerrymandering? True Dough Jun 22 #3

I believe IT had his vote counters in North Carolina but I would have to ask eLoon about LoisB Jun 22 #4

Trump is to stupid to pull it off. Musk amerikat Jun 22 #5

For sure canetoad Jun 22 #37

Trump essentially said that Musk had found ways to exploit weaknesses in the tabulation systems Bluetus Jun 22 #6

Then why didn't Musk hack downballot races? Fiendish Thingy Jun 22 #11

Maybe he just had someone hand out $100 dollar bills just to vote for Trump? kentuck Jun 22 #12

It's an angle without evidence Fiendish Thingy Jun 22 #16

Was it investigated? kentuck Jun 22 #18

It's extremely common for people to vote for president and leave the rest of the ballot blank Fiendish Thingy Jun 22 #22

In Pennsylvania in 2024, There were about 71,000 more votes for President Wiz Imp Jun 23 #39

The reality based community thanks you for your support Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #41

Facts matter. Thank you for sharing this EdmondDantes_ Jun 23 #75

The entire argument Mountainguy Jun 23 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Wiz Imp Jun 23 #40

Risk/Reward Bluetus Jun 23 #47

As you said, all theories, with no evidence Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #59

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying Bluetus Jun 23 #69

They have conducted audits Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #72

Please provide evidence of any recount activity in any of the swing states. Bluetus Jun 23 #81

You must think the secs of state and Marc Elias are dumb hicks Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #83

You are getting so close, but Bluetus Jun 24 #90

Audits include reviews of chain of custody, as well as partial recounts, among other things. Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #92

You are correct. I do not trust the Dem SoS Bluetus Jun 24 #94

Spreading evidence-free CT's reduces confidence and is likely to reduce turnout Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #96

I'm not the one spreading CTs. Bluetus Jun 24 #98

So, it appears to come down to this: Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #99

I am not denying anything. Bluetus Jun 24 #100

Well, since you are truly an experienced expert in the field, your duty to your country is clear Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #105

I get it that you don't understand. Your sarcasm does not legitimize your willingness to deny Bluetus Jun 24 #106

*sigh* Gee, Whiz... Fiendish Thingy Jun 25 #108

This is not complicated, not for IT people Bluetus Jun 25 #109

Most state governments have their own IT depts. Fiendish Thingy Jun 25 #110

Has absolutely NOTHING to do with state governments Bluetus Jun 25 #111

You haven't answered a very important question Fiendish Thingy Jun 25 #113

Those are excellent questions Bluetus Jun 25 #114

I have answered your questions. Now, you answer one for me. Bluetus Jun 25 #115

You have explained what is *possible* Fiendish Thingy Jun 25 #116

What I am doing Bluetus Jun 25 #117

Regarding the models Bluetus Jun 25 #112

Information for your enlightenment: Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #65

Information for YOUR enlightenment Bluetus Jun 23 #70

The county in question had hundreds of thousands of votes cast Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #73

Not only exact same arguments made in 2020 by Trump - Ms. Toad Jun 23 #74

Maybe he did Clouds Passing Jun 24 #104

If by cheated, you mean altered or tampered with vote tallies Fiendish Thingy Jun 22 #8

"he used quasi-legal methods to suppress voters' rights and reject valid votes for flimsy reasons" kentuck Jun 22 #9

With millions of 2020 voters staying home, how would one know? Fiendish Thingy Jun 22 #14

Very possible. kentuck Jun 22 #23

exactly: the elections are secure -- Krasnov cheats in other ways cadoman Jun 23 #57

Indeed, but when the word "cheating" is used, people assume it means votes were changed. Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #60

it's absolutely a problem with the term and we need a better term for it cadoman Jun 23 #63

Dropping the term "cheating" is not surrendering any weapons Fiendish Thingy Jun 23 #67

so what term do you use to describe how "he" won? (nt) cadoman Jun 24 #88

In a single word? Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #89

if one word encompasses six concepts but we refuse to use it cadoman Jun 24 #91

So, is it cheating if a husband lies to his wife? Fiendish Thingy Jun 24 #93

Of course it's possible to cheat with the equipment we have questionseverything Jun 23 #79

are you an expert on computer election equipment? cadoman Jun 24 #87

If lying through... Chemical Bill Jun 24 #85

The DNC and Democratic Candidates ... PBC_Democrat Jun 22 #10

He's engaged in "legal" cheating. Ms. Toad Jun 22 #13

Hard to believe all of those are legal, huh? kentuck Jun 22 #15

It won't be legal once we expand the courts Fiendish Thingy Jun 22 #19

We don't want to admit that there may be corruption in our Party also. kentuck Jun 22 #21

Some really disappointing names on the bill, although I'm not surprised to see Hickenlooper's name. CrispyQ Jun 23 #62

He cheats at golf. bluedigger Jun 22 #17

I think it would be naive to think he didn't cheat.... kentuck Jun 22 #20

Whether or not the cheating changed the outcome is a separate question. bluedigger Jun 22 #24

Define "cheated." SSJVegeta Jun 22 #25

When has he not cheated? ZDU Jun 22 #26

If he's breathing choie Jun 22 #27

The question ForgedCrank Jun 22 #28

Why is "I'm not sure" or "don't know" NOT an option in your poll? Jack Valentino Jun 22 #29

Same with me mvd Jun 22 #31

I still don't think that was really possible, BUT--- I am less sure about it. Jack Valentino Jun 22 #32

Do I think he'd cheat if he could? Yes. Do I think he might have cheated? Yes. But have I seen any evidence? No. Doodley Jun 22 #30

I'm in NC... ms liberty Jun 22 #33

Yes, but I think he did actually win also JI7 Jun 22 #34

Let's tick off the "conspiracy theories" that turned out to be true JHB Jun 22 #35

He once orchestrated an insurrection, of course he cheated. Emile Jun 22 #36

If true, then the outcome of the 2026 election is already determined Kaleva Jun 22 #38

Because he told us he did montanacowboy Jun 23 #42

Trump adheres to the pro-wrestling dictum: comradebillyboy Jun 23 #43

He cheated with the aid of Elon Musk, Peter Theil, and Steve Bannon! Initech Jun 23 #44

NO F"N WAY he won all the swing states bob4460 Jun 23 #45

Where's the "is the Pope Catholic?" line jmowreader Jun 23 #46

This is absolutely false. There is a district where that happened EdmondDantes_ Jun 23 #78

Politifact seems to say... Chemical Bill Jun 24 #86

Would spreading false information like you did qualify as cheating? EdmondDantes_ Jun 24 #97

I haven't said that there is a county where Harris got zero votes. Chemical Bill Jun 25 #107

Please define 'cheated'. TIA Celerity Jun 23 #48

From Oxford dictionary: kentuck Jun 23 #50

I think that Trump lied thousands of times, that there were thousands of scurilous false attack adverts run by the RW, Celerity Jun 23 #56

I think Rebl2 Jun 23 #49

has he ever not cheated? rampartd Jun 23 #51

Of course Maine Abu El Banat Jun 23 #52

he's a con. through and through stillcool Jun 23 #53

I WAS skeptical of these claims.... Happy Hoosier Jun 23 #54

With regards to the voting, or his wife? usonian Jun 23 #55

Simply for one reason. No..not in concrete but,. chouchou Jun 23 #58

Elon cheated. milestogo Jun 23 #61

But to what degree? kentuck Jun 23 #66

The software was coded to affect the tabulation of votes kimbutgar Jun 23 #64

I don't know how, but he is a cheater Americanme Jun 23 #68

I feel like we are perilously close Sympthsical Jun 23 #71

Elon bought it for him get the red out Jun 23 #76

Not at all DFW Jun 23 #77

What I THINK, does t matter. johnnyfins Jun 23 #80

Didn't but changed mind recently. Cheats that include Trump made Trump POTUS. nt PufPuf23 Jun 24 #84

VOTER SUPPRESSION and B.See Jun 24 #95

There hasn't been a non-compromised election purple_haze Jun 24 #101

The normal republican cheating plus Buzz cook Jun 24 #102

He's a cheater, cheater and a wife beater Clouds Passing Jun 24 #103