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In reply to the discussion: Do you think Trump cheated in the last election? [View all]Bluetus
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Our election systems have always been loaded with vulnerabilities,. As a society, we have always accepted this trade-off between fraud and convenience as a necessary compromise, especially considering that the ethos of this country from the very start was to not trust the rabble to make the leadership decisions. We give lip service to "democracy", but we have always erected barriers to legitimate democracy, be they 3/5ths compromise, Jim Crow laws, gerrymandering, the electoral college, the Senate composition, women's suffrage, the Daley operation or "lost" ballots.
What has changed? Most of the barriers/fraud were limited to local cases that did not have massive national consequences. But everything (allegedly) changed with the 2024 election.
Do you know who Peter Theil is? Have you heard of a company called Tripp Lite? Do you know what Palantir does as a business? You will not understand this situation if you don't understand all three of those linchpins.
So, let me summarize. Peter Theil is one of the leading "tech bros". Starting about a decade ago, he became central to this emerging gaggle of like-minded tech bros (including Musk) who do not believe in elected governments. They see a world that is run entirely by tech bros who control the media, the satellites, the elections, government budgets and taxation, the banking systems, everything.
About that time, Thell, Leo, and others started executing strategies to take over our government. Leo concentrated on taking over the judiciary, and especially the Supreme Court. and has succeeded 100%. Theil was more interested in elections. He backed Vance as a Senatorial candidate, and won that the old-fashioned way, by BUYING the candidate and injecting an overwhelming amount of money into the campaign.
Somewhere in that era, these people, including Musk, convinced themselves that there was a cheaper and more certain way to win elections. It was based on the fact that the primary election systems, most notably ESS, are controlled by RW partisans who shared the Theil philosophy. It was at that time that Theil, a venture capitalist who specialized in funding the highest of high tech firms took a highly peculiar interest in the Tripp Lite company. Tripp Lite is about the lowest tech company that can be considered a "tech" company at all. They make uninterruptible power supplies -- basically a box of batteries. Everything I have said so far is a matter of fact and well reported (albeit without seeing the patterns of connected dots.) From this point forward, there is some speculation, but I can assure you that every word of it is 100% plausible, if all the right villains agree to cooperate. And that is exactly what is alleged.
The Tripp Lite connection is the one that is so far from the normal pattern that it sets off sirens and alarms. Tripp Lite was purchased by Eaton in 2021, right after Trump lost to Harris. Why would a company like Eaton give a s*** about a boring UPS maker? Makes no sense. What is alleged is that the people behind Eaton, Palantir, ESS, SpaceEx and several other Tech Bro havens have been acting in a highly coordinated manner.
Why would Tripp Lite even be a factor in any of this? This is where I will lose most non-tech people. ESS and the other election system vendors make a big deal about how their voting systems are not connected at all to the outside world. They also boast that their software is independently certified by experts and there are PHYSICAL protections that prevent tampering without detection. And that was the case, I believe.
That's where Tripp Lite comes in. The ds450 and ds850 tebulators are often configured to use a Tripp Lite DIN850AC UPS or comparable. While ESS will sell the tabulators without UPS, it is a natural proposition to say "Of course, you will want to protect your tabulators from power outages, right?" It is alleged that these Tripp LIte UPSes became the mode for enabling a back door into many tabulators throughout the swing states. Is this possible? How is this possible?
The simple answer is, "Yes, it is possible if you can get the right people to do crimes with you." It is common for UPS systems to have a digital connection with the host they support. Normally, this is simply to keep the host aware of the power status. In the event of an extended power outage, the UPS can tell the host device (the tabulator in this case) to do an orderly shutdown to preserve data. It has been reported that there was an unauthorized patch applied to ESS systems in the September 2024 timeframe (coincidentally when Trump and Musk started saying their vote-counting plan out loud), and that this patch enhanced that protocol between the tabulators and their UPS such that the processor in the UPS could gain root level control over the tabulator. With root level control, the UPS would be able to do anything. It could see all the votes as they were being scanned. It could change vote totals and could erase any trace of this vote flipping. The only thing it could not do is actually modify the paper ballot. So if there was such tampering, it COULD be discovered, simply by running all the ballots through a tabulator known not to be compromised, or counting them by hand. But that was never done. Not a single recount anywhere as far as I know.
For that scenario to work smoothly and secretly, the rogue software would have to be loaded into the UPS systems in many locations months in advance. It would be hard to do that without arousing suspicion, because that would typically require an election worker to apply the patch at the direction of ESS. That is where the SpaceX connection comes into play. To complete the picture, it is alleged that about that same time (late summer 2024,) Starlink activated a feature that allowed the Theil/Palantir people to connect with those rogue UPS systems via a satellite service that appears to the UPS as if it were just another cell phone network. If that worked, it would be possible for the Palantir people to develop vote-flipping strategies, and command those strategies in real time, never having to physically touch any voting equipment in any voting place, and never having to ask any election officials for anything.
That is exactly what is alleged. It may sound far-fetched, but 100% of what I mentioned is technically possible. And my whole point in all of these messages you have been pooh-poohing, is that if correct, there was MASSIVE multi-state fraud in the Presidential election of 2024. We won't change that, but the key point is that they can and WILL do it again. And these allegations could easily be confirmed simply by re-scanning original ballots on tabulators known to be clean. That's the whole point. I don't understand why anybody would be opposed to this.
So instead of attacking me, why don't you explain why you are opposed to finding out if any of these allegations are true.
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