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SunSeeker

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13. Bullshit. She does a terrible job of explaining what socialism and communism are, let alone their differences.
Fri Jun 27, 2025, 04:43 PM
Jun 27

Instead, she resorts to silly propaganda, claiming socialism is "early stage" communism and that communism is the "most successful" system ever to exist. And all this will wearing the Soviet hammer and sickle on her beret. What a joke. I don't know who she is, but she is an idiot. How can you post this crap here?

First of all, let's get our definitions straight. Socialism is a political and economic system where the means of production, such as factories and land, are owned and controlled by the community as a whole, rather than by private individuals or corporations. Communism is a political and economic ideology that aims for a stateless, classless society with common ownership of the means of production and equal distribution of resources. It envisions a society where the state controls key resources like property, production, education, agriculture, and transportation. This system seeks to eliminate social classes and the concept of private property, ultimately aiming for a society where everyone shares the benefits of labor equally. 

There have been NO successful communist governments, nor any successful socialist governments. They either dissolved completely, like the USSR, or devolved into an oppressive government dictatorship with no respect for individual rights, like China, Cuba, or the USSR before it dissolved, or the former Yuogslavia before it fell apart.

What Zohran Mamdani and Bernie and AOC are talking about is not communism or even socialism. They are not advocating for the state to own all the means of production, nor are they saying there should be no private ownership of property. They describe themselves as democratic socialists, and what they are really talking about is regulated capitalism with a fully robust safety net like the Scandinavian countries. None of the Scandinavian countries are socialist, let alone communist.

Here's Bernie in his own words:



You can have Medicare for All without socialism. You can have a living wage and paid parental leave and childcare without socialism. And you can have it while still respecting voting rights, private property rights and a regulated capitalism. The Scandinavian countries, and indeed many European countries, are doing all of that right now. They're doing it by TAXING CAPITALISTS. It's not rocket science and it does not require a new system. It just requires more robust regulation of capitalism. And we've ALWAYS regulated capitalism.

It is unfortunate that AOC, Bernie and Mamdani have chosen to use the term democratic socialist to describe themselves, since they are not actual socialists. It allows the right to smear them as "socialists" while also allowing fringe lunatics like the USSR loving dishonest dipshit in the OP video to claim that socialism is not so bad if relatively mainstream politicians like AOC, Bernie and Mamdani use the "s word" to describe themselves.


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communism comes from Marx. creon Jun 27 #1
True of all politics Cirsium Jun 27 #9
I agree creon Jun 27 #35
I Mentioned Yesterday Mr.Bee Jun 27 #2
Socialism is the strategy for future communist regimes to lure the people to vote for them Escurumbele Jun 27 #3
Russia, Venezuela, and many other Latin American countries ? vanessa_ca Jun 27 #4
Russia was never Communist TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #6
Both Russia and China were communist societies but they both failed because communism... brush Jun 27 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #15
I do disagree TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #16
The video never named a successful and extant socialist society as there... brush Jun 27 #19
I'm not here to debate things TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #40
Interesting thread and that's why so many voices on this issue. Exactly what a good discussion is. Deuxcents Jun 27 #52
"Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains." TheRickles Jun 27 #28
We (I live in Sweden) are NOT democratic socialist nations here in the Nordics. Celerity Jun 29 #120
Thank you. The emphasis should be on "democratic", not "social(ist)". TheRickles Jun 30 #125
This 👆 bamagal62 Jun 27 #57
Communism, like socialism, liberalism, conservatism, etc comes in many different flavors. Ping Tung Jun 27 #5
There has never been a successful socialist or communist society that has thrived and is still extant. brush Jun 27 #7
Ok but what does that have to do with Zohan Mumdani TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #41
The tread was about the seeming confusion of socialism vs social democracies. in Europe. brush Jun 27 #43
Wellp maybe I should've been more clear then I guess TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #45
His name is Zohran Mamdani. nt SunSeeker Jun 27 #62
Repeat after me Cirsium Jun 27 #10
Great summary! thought crime Jun 27 #11
What communist countries have succeeded? nt SunSeeker Jun 27 #14
Oh I dunno Cirsium Jun 27 #22
So you can't name a single successful communist country. Got it. SunSeeker Jun 27 #51
I did Cirsium Jun 28 #80
No you didn't. Name one. nt SunSeeker Jun 28 #83
Why? Cirsium Jun 28 #86
So you think success is a vicious socialist dictatorship where the vast majority of people live in oppressed poverty. SunSeeker Jun 29 #97
No Cirsium Jun 29 #103
A "vicious dictatorship where the vast majority of people live in oppressed poverty" perfectly describes Cuba. SunSeeker Jun 29 #114
Political parties? Cirsium Jun 29 #119
Your 2008 opinion piece from "Liberation School" does not dispute anything the 2025 Harvard report says. SunSeeker Jun 29 #122
Did you read it? Cirsium Jun 30 #124
Yes. There is nothing that can help that piece of dated propaganda. nt SunSeeker Jun 30 #126
+1 leftstreet Jun 27 #17
Name one successful and still thriving and extant socialist cournty. brush Jun 27 #20
Sure Cirsium Jun 27 #23
Heehee. Yugoslavia, China, Warsaw Pac. Please. Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore and China is capitalist. brush Jun 27 #27
Of course Cirsium Jun 27 #30
I added to my post that I guess you didn't see. What about the many... brush Jun 27 #31
No Cirsium Jun 27 #33
What do you call making a profit from time, laboer and materials spent? brush Jun 27 #37
Profit Cirsium Jun 27 #42
what do you call it, bartering, trading, what? brush Jun 27 #44
ummmm Cirsium Jun 27 #49
Exchanging your skills for money is part of a capitalist economy. SunSeeker Jun 27 #54
Of course Cirsium Jun 28 #79
Slaves can be part of socialist economies as well. Nazis used slave labor in their socialist economy. SunSeeker Jun 28 #84
The Nazi party was not socialist Cirsium Jun 28 #85
Yes it was. SunSeeker Jun 29 #99
Huh Cirsium Jun 29 #102
Excellent post. Nt iemanja Jun 29 #116
Don't old cars produce significantly more pollution than new ones? MichMan Jun 27 #56
Yes Cirsium Jun 27 #58
China isn't' socialist or communist anymore iemanja Jun 27 #55
Crazy Cirsium Jun 27 #59
China scored below the US and Russia on the Global Health Security index. SunSeeker Jun 28 #65
Yep, they copied Yugos SEZ and scaled it and still allowed rich to take from poor and middle uponit7771 Jun 28 #70
Do you know anyone who lives or lived in China? iemanja Jun 28 #67
China is a socialist country, according to the Webster's Dictionary definition of socialism. SunSeeker Jun 28 #63
There is a great deal of free enterprise in China iemanja Jun 28 #66
There is nothing free about the enterprise in China. It is all state controlled. SunSeeker Jun 28 #68
"subject to the whims" .... That's 100% of all US corps if "whims" is the deciding factor. China has SOE cause they have uponit7771 Jun 28 #72
That simply isn't true. Nt iemanja Jun 28 #90
It is sadly very true. See my below reply to your post about Chinese billionaires. SunSeeker Jun 29 #98
Here is a list of Chinese billionaires and the industries they own iemanja Jun 28 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author SunSeeker Jun 29 #95
All of these billionares exist because they serve the CCP's interests. SunSeeker Jun 29 #96
I don't doubt that iemanja Jun 29 #113
Socialism is defined as government ownership of the means of production. That's China. SunSeeker Jun 29 #117
Webster is not the authority iemanja Jun 29 #123
You can't make definitions up. Words have meaning. SunSeeker Jun 30 #127
Private corps and SEO exist in China it's NO LONGER a socialist country at all. uponit7771 Jun 28 #71
The "private" corps in China are still controlled by the CCP. SunSeeker Jun 28 #82
There are corps that are not directly controlled like SOEs that are majority owned by CCP gov. uponit7771 Jun 29 #100
Exceptions don't make the rule. SunSeeker Jun 29 #101
Private Chinese corp's are ***NOT*** the exception uponit7771 Jun 29 #104
So did fascist Germany iemanja Jun 29 #115
Hitler's Germany managed to combine socialism with fascism. SunSeeker Jun 29 #118
Yugoslavia was text book hybrid and even came up with idea of SEZ that China repeated uponit7771 Jun 28 #69
Exactly. How well has Capitalism worked? mjvpi Jun 27 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Jun 28 #73
Yep, I. Other its are called social Democrats uponit7771 Jun 28 #74
Seems to me both Russia and China, the two large examples of socialism... brush Jun 27 #46
From the movie Mank ITAL Jun 27 #12
Bullshit. She does a terrible job of explaining what socialism and communism are, let alone their differences. SunSeeker Jun 27 #13
Are you ok? TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #18
Are you ok? SunSeeker Jun 27 #26
Are you the manager? TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #39
Lies are not kindness. SunSeeker Jun 27 #47
It's not educational if it's not true. beaglelover Jun 27 #48
Democratic Socialism is more of a hybrid of what works. mjvpi Jun 27 #24
Bernie's "Democratic Socialism" is just well regulated capitalism. SunSeeker Jun 27 #53
***EXACTLY!!*** I call it Caged Capitalism which is mostly common sense uponit7771 Jun 28 #77
But if the "socialism" part is left out it's not edgy or trendy. BannonsLiver Jun 29 #110
It's the naming, they shouldn't have issues with terms they call themselves uponit7771 Jun 28 #76
Thank you. This is the best explanation and clarification I've seen on this thread so far. TheRickles Jun 27 #29
So nostalgic Cirsium Jun 27 #34
Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland are all succesful, well regulated capitalist countries. SunSeeker Jun 27 #50
Maybe Cirsium Jun 27 #60
Nonsense. nt SunSeeker Jun 27 #61
👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿 LAST PARAGRAPH!! uponit7771 Jun 28 #78
Thank you, very well put and explained. The video of the young woman was BS. brush Jun 27 #38
Sounds like social Democrats .. they should call themselves that uponit7771 Jun 28 #75
Don't forget that Nazis were/are a form of socialist, it's even in the name... AntiFascist Jun 27 #25
Ludicrous Cirsium Jun 28 #81
For years some of us have been calling it socialism for the rich... AntiFascist Jun 28 #87
True? Cirsium Jun 28 #88
I could say the same thing about Communism... AntiFascist Jun 28 #89
No Cirsium Jun 28 #94
Exactly my point... AntiFascist Jun 29 #106
Huh? Cirsium Jun 29 #107
Exactly my point again... AntiFascist Jun 29 #108
I guess I don't understand Cirsium Jun 29 #109
Directly quoting from Google AI... AntiFascist Jun 29 #111
Pretty funny Cirsium Jun 29 #112
ism's OC375 Jun 27 #32
Idealism? Cirsium Jun 29 #121
I find that in the US, snot Jun 27 #36
I must express my admiration for your choice of username--- Jack Valentino Jun 28 #64
Hi & thank you XD TacosUberAlles Jun 28 #92
Telling someone who says they're Communist that it doesn't work... gulliver Jun 28 #91
The 1950s called Cirsium Jun 29 #105
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