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gulliver

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91. Telling someone who says they're Communist that it doesn't work...

Sat Jun 28, 2025, 05:14 PM

Jun 28

...is too often like telling a mugger who just walked up to you that mugging is illegal. They both know what you're telling them is true, but it doesn't change their plans.

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The differences between Socialism & Communism [View all] TacosUberAlles Jun 27 OP

communism comes from Marx. creon Jun 27 #1

True of all politics Cirsium Jun 27 #9

I agree creon Jun 27 #35

I Mentioned Yesterday Mr.Bee Jun 27 #2

Socialism is the strategy for future communist regimes to lure the people to vote for them Escurumbele Jun 27 #3

Russia, Venezuela, and many other Latin American countries ? vanessa_ca Jun 27 #4

Russia was never Communist TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #6

Both Russia and China were communist societies but they both failed because communism... brush Jun 27 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #15

I do disagree TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #16

The video never named a successful and extant socialist society as there... brush Jun 27 #19

I'm not here to debate things TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #40

Interesting thread and that's why so many voices on this issue. Exactly what a good discussion is. Deuxcents Jun 27 #52

"Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains." TheRickles Jun 27 #28

We (I live in Sweden) are NOT democratic socialist nations here in the Nordics. Celerity Jun 29 #120

Thank you. The emphasis should be on "democratic", not "social(ist)". TheRickles Jun 30 #125

This 👆 bamagal62 Jun 27 #57

Communism, like socialism, liberalism, conservatism, etc comes in many different flavors. Ping Tung Jun 27 #5

There has never been a successful socialist or communist society that has thrived and is still extant. brush Jun 27 #7

Ok but what does that have to do with Zohan Mumdani TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #41

The tread was about the seeming confusion of socialism vs social democracies. in Europe. brush Jun 27 #43

Wellp maybe I should've been more clear then I guess TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #45

His name is Zohran Mamdani. nt SunSeeker Jun 27 #62

Repeat after me Cirsium Jun 27 #10

Great summary! thought crime Jun 27 #11

What communist countries have succeeded? nt SunSeeker Jun 27 #14

Oh I dunno Cirsium Jun 27 #22

So you can't name a single successful communist country. Got it. SunSeeker Jun 27 #51

I did Cirsium Jun 28 #80

No you didn't. Name one. nt SunSeeker Jun 28 #83

Why? Cirsium Jun 28 #86

So you think success is a vicious socialist dictatorship where the vast majority of people live in oppressed poverty. SunSeeker Jun 29 #97

No Cirsium Jun 29 #103

A "vicious dictatorship where the vast majority of people live in oppressed poverty" perfectly describes Cuba. SunSeeker Jun 29 #114

Political parties? Cirsium Jun 29 #119

Your 2008 opinion piece from "Liberation School" does not dispute anything the 2025 Harvard report says. SunSeeker Jun 29 #122

Did you read it? Cirsium Jun 30 #124

Yes. There is nothing that can help that piece of dated propaganda. nt SunSeeker Jun 30 #126

+1 leftstreet Jun 27 #17

Name one successful and still thriving and extant socialist cournty. brush Jun 27 #20

Sure Cirsium Jun 27 #23

Heehee. Yugoslavia, China, Warsaw Pac. Please. Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore and China is capitalist. brush Jun 27 #27

Of course Cirsium Jun 27 #30

I added to my post that I guess you didn't see. What about the many... brush Jun 27 #31

No Cirsium Jun 27 #33

What do you call making a profit from time, laboer and materials spent? brush Jun 27 #37

Profit Cirsium Jun 27 #42

what do you call it, bartering, trading, what? brush Jun 27 #44

ummmm Cirsium Jun 27 #49

Exchanging your skills for money is part of a capitalist economy. SunSeeker Jun 27 #54

Of course Cirsium Jun 28 #79

Slaves can be part of socialist economies as well. Nazis used slave labor in their socialist economy. SunSeeker Jun 28 #84

The Nazi party was not socialist Cirsium Jun 28 #85

Yes it was. SunSeeker Jun 29 #99

Huh Cirsium Jun 29 #102

Excellent post. Nt iemanja Jun 29 #116

Don't old cars produce significantly more pollution than new ones? MichMan Jun 27 #56

Yes Cirsium Jun 27 #58

China isn't' socialist or communist anymore iemanja Jun 27 #55

Crazy Cirsium Jun 27 #59

China scored below the US and Russia on the Global Health Security index. SunSeeker Jun 28 #65

Yep, they copied Yugos SEZ and scaled it and still allowed rich to take from poor and middle uponit7771 Jun 28 #70

Do you know anyone who lives or lived in China? iemanja Jun 28 #67

China is a socialist country, according to the Webster's Dictionary definition of socialism. SunSeeker Jun 28 #63

There is a great deal of free enterprise in China iemanja Jun 28 #66

There is nothing free about the enterprise in China. It is all state controlled. SunSeeker Jun 28 #68

"subject to the whims" .... That's 100% of all US corps if "whims" is the deciding factor. China has SOE cause they have uponit7771 Jun 28 #72

That simply isn't true. Nt iemanja Jun 28 #90

It is sadly very true. See my below reply to your post about Chinese billionaires. SunSeeker Jun 29 #98

Here is a list of Chinese billionaires and the industries they own iemanja Jun 28 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author SunSeeker Jun 29 #95

All of these billionares exist because they serve the CCP's interests. SunSeeker Jun 29 #96

I don't doubt that iemanja Jun 29 #113

Socialism is defined as government ownership of the means of production. That's China. SunSeeker Jun 29 #117

Webster is not the authority iemanja Jun 29 #123

You can't make definitions up. Words have meaning. SunSeeker Jun 30 #127

Private corps and SEO exist in China it's NO LONGER a socialist country at all. uponit7771 Jun 28 #71

The "private" corps in China are still controlled by the CCP. SunSeeker Jun 28 #82

There are corps that are not directly controlled like SOEs that are majority owned by CCP gov. uponit7771 Jun 29 #100

Exceptions don't make the rule. SunSeeker Jun 29 #101

Private Chinese corp's are ***NOT*** the exception uponit7771 Jun 29 #104

So did fascist Germany iemanja Jun 29 #115

Hitler's Germany managed to combine socialism with fascism. SunSeeker Jun 29 #118

Yugoslavia was text book hybrid and even came up with idea of SEZ that China repeated uponit7771 Jun 28 #69

Exactly. How well has Capitalism worked? mjvpi Jun 27 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Jun 28 #73

Yep, I. Other its are called social Democrats uponit7771 Jun 28 #74

Seems to me both Russia and China, the two large examples of socialism... brush Jun 27 #46

From the movie Mank ITAL Jun 27 #12

Bullshit. She does a terrible job of explaining what socialism and communism are, let alone their differences. SunSeeker Jun 27 #13

Are you ok? TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #18

Are you ok? SunSeeker Jun 27 #26

Are you the manager? TacosUberAlles Jun 27 #39

Lies are not kindness. SunSeeker Jun 27 #47

It's not educational if it's not true. beaglelover Jun 27 #48

Democratic Socialism is more of a hybrid of what works. mjvpi Jun 27 #24

Bernie's "Democratic Socialism" is just well regulated capitalism. SunSeeker Jun 27 #53

***EXACTLY!!*** I call it Caged Capitalism which is mostly common sense uponit7771 Jun 28 #77

But if the "socialism" part is left out it's not edgy or trendy. BannonsLiver Jun 29 #110

It's the naming, they shouldn't have issues with terms they call themselves uponit7771 Jun 28 #76

Thank you. This is the best explanation and clarification I've seen on this thread so far. TheRickles Jun 27 #29

So nostalgic Cirsium Jun 27 #34

Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland are all succesful, well regulated capitalist countries. SunSeeker Jun 27 #50

Maybe Cirsium Jun 27 #60

Nonsense. nt SunSeeker Jun 27 #61

👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿 LAST PARAGRAPH!! uponit7771 Jun 28 #78

Thank you, very well put and explained. The video of the young woman was BS. brush Jun 27 #38

Sounds like social Democrats .. they should call themselves that uponit7771 Jun 28 #75

Don't forget that Nazis were/are a form of socialist, it's even in the name... AntiFascist Jun 27 #25

Ludicrous Cirsium Jun 28 #81

For years some of us have been calling it socialism for the rich... AntiFascist Jun 28 #87

True? Cirsium Jun 28 #88

I could say the same thing about Communism... AntiFascist Jun 28 #89

No Cirsium Jun 28 #94

Exactly my point... AntiFascist Jun 29 #106

Huh? Cirsium Jun 29 #107

Exactly my point again... AntiFascist Jun 29 #108

I guess I don't understand Cirsium Jun 29 #109

Directly quoting from Google AI... AntiFascist Jun 29 #111

Pretty funny Cirsium Jun 29 #112

ism's OC375 Jun 27 #32

Idealism? Cirsium Jun 29 #121

I find that in the US, snot Jun 27 #36

I must express my admiration for your choice of username--- Jack Valentino Jun 28 #64

Hi & thank you XD TacosUberAlles Jun 28 #92

Telling someone who says they're Communist that it doesn't work... gulliver Jun 28 #91

The 1950s called Cirsium Jun 29 #105