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In reply to the discussion: The differences between Socialism & Communism [View all]Cirsium
(2,795 posts)119. Political parties?
Why? Even the founding fathers of the US thought that was a bad idea. The party system gives the illusion of citizen control, but as any honest observer knows, money wins every battle, not democracy.
In the United States, politicians of all stripes, along with the big-business media, routinely portray Cuba as an oppressive dictatorship. Cuban leader Fidel Castro is said to decide everything in society, supported by a police state where free political expression and participation amongst the Cuban working class is brutally repressed. Of course, like so many of the stories aired by the mouthpieces of capitalism, it is a lie. But it is a lie with a very clear purpose.
By promoting this lie about Cubas socialist system, the U.S. ruling class perpetuates a pretext for the 50-year blockade and aggression against the island country. It also aims to discredit socialism as an ideologyand at the same time cover up the inherent flaws in the U.S. political system. The objective is to demoralize the U.S. working class with the idea that there is no alternative to capitalism, and that the rule of corporations and the few individuals who own them is the normal order of society.
Despite the persistent propaganda against Cuba over the past five decades, the Cuban Revolution remains an example of working-class democracy. This fact lies at the root of U.S. government opposition to Cuba: The Cuban Revolution represents genuine workers democracy and the true rule of the majority.
https://www.liberationschool.org/ch-14-workers-democracy-in-cuba/
By promoting this lie about Cubas socialist system, the U.S. ruling class perpetuates a pretext for the 50-year blockade and aggression against the island country. It also aims to discredit socialism as an ideologyand at the same time cover up the inherent flaws in the U.S. political system. The objective is to demoralize the U.S. working class with the idea that there is no alternative to capitalism, and that the rule of corporations and the few individuals who own them is the normal order of society.
Despite the persistent propaganda against Cuba over the past five decades, the Cuban Revolution remains an example of working-class democracy. This fact lies at the root of U.S. government opposition to Cuba: The Cuban Revolution represents genuine workers democracy and the true rule of the majority.
https://www.liberationschool.org/ch-14-workers-democracy-in-cuba/
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Socialism is the strategy for future communist regimes to lure the people to vote for them
Escurumbele
Jun 27
#3
Both Russia and China were communist societies but they both failed because communism...
brush
Jun 27
#8
Interesting thread and that's why so many voices on this issue. Exactly what a good discussion is.
Deuxcents
Jun 27
#52
We (I live in Sweden) are NOT democratic socialist nations here in the Nordics.
Celerity
Jun 29
#120
Communism, like socialism, liberalism, conservatism, etc comes in many different flavors.
Ping Tung
Jun 27
#5
There has never been a successful socialist or communist society that has thrived and is still extant.
brush
Jun 27
#7
The tread was about the seeming confusion of socialism vs social democracies. in Europe.
brush
Jun 27
#43
So you think success is a vicious socialist dictatorship where the vast majority of people live in oppressed poverty.
SunSeeker
Jun 29
#97
A "vicious dictatorship where the vast majority of people live in oppressed poverty" perfectly describes Cuba.
SunSeeker
Jun 29
#114
Your 2008 opinion piece from "Liberation School" does not dispute anything the 2025 Harvard report says.
SunSeeker
Jun 29
#122
Heehee. Yugoslavia, China, Warsaw Pac. Please. Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore and China is capitalist.
brush
Jun 27
#27
Slaves can be part of socialist economies as well. Nazis used slave labor in their socialist economy.
SunSeeker
Jun 28
#84
Yep, they copied Yugos SEZ and scaled it and still allowed rich to take from poor and middle
uponit7771
Jun 28
#70
China is a socialist country, according to the Webster's Dictionary definition of socialism.
SunSeeker
Jun 28
#63
There is nothing free about the enterprise in China. It is all state controlled.
SunSeeker
Jun 28
#68
"subject to the whims" .... That's 100% of all US corps if "whims" is the deciding factor. China has SOE cause they have
uponit7771
Jun 28
#72
It is sadly very true. See my below reply to your post about Chinese billionaires.
SunSeeker
Jun 29
#98
Socialism is defined as government ownership of the means of production. That's China.
SunSeeker
Jun 29
#117
Private corps and SEO exist in China it's NO LONGER a socialist country at all.
uponit7771
Jun 28
#71
There are corps that are not directly controlled like SOEs that are majority owned by CCP gov.
uponit7771
Jun 29
#100
Yugoslavia was text book hybrid and even came up with idea of SEZ that China repeated
uponit7771
Jun 28
#69
Bullshit. She does a terrible job of explaining what socialism and communism are, let alone their differences.
SunSeeker
Jun 27
#13
Thank you. This is the best explanation and clarification I've seen on this thread so far.
TheRickles
Jun 27
#29
Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland are all succesful, well regulated capitalist countries.
SunSeeker
Jun 27
#50
Don't forget that Nazis were/are a form of socialist, it's even in the name...
AntiFascist
Jun 27
#25