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Kid Berwyn

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42. When NAZIs were welcomed to America via the post-World War II Ratlines.
Thu Jul 3, 2025, 11:33 AM
Jul 3
The Nazi Hydra - Ratlines:The CIA &The Nazis

RoadsEnd
22 September 2002

Up until now we have only looked at the use of the German scientists in chemical and biological warfare. But in 1949 the work at Edgewood shifted focus and began looking at psychochemicals beginning with LSD in an effort to find the perfect truth serum. The key sources of information were from those that had worked at I.G. Farben. Some were imprisoned but they were released temporary to work for the Army Chemical Corps. This was the very birth of a much larger CIA operation that became known as MK Ultra. The original operation was Bluebird, which then evolved first into Artichoke before becoming MK-Ultra. Unfortunately CIA Director Richard Helms ordered the CIA records of MK-Ultra destroyed in 1973. Remaining records suggest hundreds if not thousands of people were used as test subjects and involved the collaboration with several universities, mental hospitals, prisons and drug rehab centers.106 The experiments were conducted without the test subjects knowledge and resulted in several deaths including that of Frank Olsen.

Others have reported being continuing problems from being test subjects. Others attempted suicide of which some were successful. The army's and CIA's response was to cover up the project. But the operation evolved beyond just the military-intelligence community. The CIA enlisted help with MK-Ultra with a host of university collaborators including the Universities of Delaware, Maryland and a host of others.105

Just as the immigration of Nazis and war criminals into the US involved the use of several projects of which Paperclip is the most widely known such is the case of MK-Ultra. There were 149 sub projects under MK-Ultra. The use of drugs for truth serum and for mind control were conducted under a bewildering list of Project or Operations. Below is a short synopsis of some of those projects.

"MKDELTA: This was apparently the first project established by the CIA in October, 1952, for the use of biochemicals in clandestine operations. It may never have been implemented operationally.

MKULTRA: This was a successor project to MKDELTA established in April, 1953, and terminating some time in the late 1960's probably after 1966. This program considered various means of controlling human behavior. Drugs were only one aspect of this activity.

MKNAOMI: This project began in the 1950's and was terminated at least with respect biological projects, in 1969. This may have been a successor to MKDELTA. Its purpose was to stockpile severely incapacitating and lethal materials, and to develop gadgetry for the dissemination of these materials.

MKSEARCH: This was apparently a successor project to MKULTRA, which began in 1965 and was terminated in 1973. The objective of the project was to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior in a predictable manner through the use of drugs.

MKCHICKWIT: This was apparently a part of the MKSEARCH program. Its objective was to identify new drug developments in Europe and Asia and to obtain information and samples.

MKOFTEN: This was also apparently a part of the MKSEARCH project. Its objective was to test the behavioral and toxicological effects of certain drugs on animals and humans."107

STARGATE: Investigated the use of ESP, paranormal, remote viewing military uses of telekinesis type research that was done from an uncertain start date up until 1984.116


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The dominance of RW media get the red out Jul 3 #1
Since right wing radio took over. Ferrets are Cool Jul 3 #2
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Newtie began calling Dems enemies LSparkle Jul 3 #57
Yes we have become a nation of cruel sadists. Irish_Dem Jul 3 #3
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My elderly mother understood it this way 10 years ago Captain Zero Jul 3 #5
During President Obama J-9 Jul 3 #52
Well, surely putting twenty people to death because some teenage girl called them witches is a good starting point. Aristus Jul 3 #6
+1000 Just_Vote_Dem Jul 3 #10
Or "The 1619 Project" A HERETIC I AM Jul 3 #28
I will check out "The 1619 Project", thanks for that n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jul 3 #30
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Don't forget the Spanish, who basically did mwmisses4289 Jul 3 #62
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Right from the beginning, including slavery and slaughter of natives lostnfound Jul 3 #9
I think the cruel streak has always been here genxlib Jul 3 #12
We have always been this cruel. kentuck Jul 3 #13
Always. Ask NAs, ask AAs. nt eppur_se_muova Jul 3 #17
I told my DH, years ago Bettie Jul 3 #14
Yes, the very reason unions were demonized and demoralized mountain grammy Jul 3 #22
Far too many people are now Bettie Jul 3 #27
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1776...or earlier, really... Wounded Bear Jul 3 #15
May 14th, 1607 when colonists landed at Jamestown. Ray Bruns Jul 3 #41
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I agree. MLWR Jul 3 #61
But "Just say NO" to self-medication after you've had all Heidi Jul 3 #64
All of a sudden Sadism has become an American value to... S/V Loner Jul 3 #18
We, as a collection of human beings, are no better than any other collection Ocelot II Jul 3 #19
Excellent essay, and spot-on! Martin Eden Jul 3 #66
When Obama won in 2008. ... aggiesal Jul 3 #20
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They see some of themselves in him. Also, the rest is what they want to be. Oneironaut Jul 3 #35
"structured in classes" reminds me of a quote by LBJ: Martin Eden Jul 3 #49
Trump's campaign and presidencies brought out the worst in people IronLionZion Jul 3 #23
The Original Sin was that Europeans stole this land from the rightful inhabitants Wicked Blue Jul 3 #25
The prosperity of the US that grew so exponentially in the early years Ocelot II Jul 3 #39
Trump, Rebl2 Jul 3 #26
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Rush Limbaugh planted the seeds..it is now in full bloom ashredux Jul 3 #29
It's always been there. JMCKUSICK Jul 3 #31
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I remember the GOP guy who pulled the pony tail of the female protester at the 2004 Rethug Convention. John1956PA Jul 3 #33
I have theories about the evolution of the human brain... CaptainTruth Jul 3 #36
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I think it started with Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich, surfered Jul 3 #38
When haven't we been this cruel? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 3 #40
When NAZIs were welcomed to America via the post-World War II Ratlines. Kid Berwyn Jul 3 #42
May 14th, 1607 when colonists landed at Jamestown. Ray Bruns Jul 3 #43
Humanity has always had streaks of cruelty EdmondDantes_ Jul 3 #44
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire Ping Tung Jul 3 #45
I don't think this is the entire answer, evemac Jul 3 #46
It's always been there orangecrush Jul 3 #47
This country has always been cruel SocialDemocrat61 Jul 3 #48
Maybe all the women who were burned as witches can answer that. GoCubsGo Jul 3 #50
You and I are of like minds. The cruelty is nothing new, just reported better with our new technology Attilatheblond Jul 3 #54
A big % of Americans have ALWAYS been cruel. RW media fed that tendency to cruelty. More media exposed that cruelty Attilatheblond Jul 3 #51
We've been that way Mblaze Jul 3 #53
I understand and agree, but that is not the question Eliot Rosewater Jul 3 #55
Growing up in SC, I was astonished by enigmania Jul 3 #58
It was always cruel Kali999 Jul 3 #59
1619 When the country was intialy settled AStern Jul 3 #60
True.. the people who came here came because of inequality and cruelty and brought it with them. Srkdqltr Jul 3 #67
Democrats want to do things... 3catwoman3 Jul 3 #63
Resources and expectations Marthe48 Jul 3 #68
It's in the original DNA SineQuaNon001 Jul 3 #71
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