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waterwatcher123

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10. Wow - how much would it cost to install a few sirens and perhaps warning lights?
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 01:59 PM
Jul 8

Most every dam in the country has a warning light attached to it to make sure that the pool height is at or below the design capacity. Otherwise, a spillway or sluice gate could easily fail, and no one would know until the water started to flood adjacent areas. These lights could easily be adapted to a USGS gauge where lights and/or sirens could immediately activate at bank-full to warn vulnerable places (the lights and siren can be located remotely from the gauge). USGS also has a warning system like the NWS for most of their streamflow monitoring sites. However, it does not look like they have the authority to use the wireless emergency alert system. This authority should be changed since USGS and states run most streamflow monitoring stations.

It appears from looking at the satellite imagery of the upper Guadalupe River that extraordinarily little effort has been invested in keeping the upland areas forested. Forests are critical to the storage of water for lots of reasons (trees intercept rainfall, root systems help with infiltration, forest animals who dig provide storage in tunnels and underground homes, and so on). Forests are also typically associated with wetlands and landscapes dotted with wood and landscape depressions). Many of these water holding features are completely absent in pastureland and/or cleared areas. There also appear to be big sections of the river where there is little forest canopy even adjacent to the stream (critical areas for aquatic ecology). Forests cannot stop a huge storm event from producing catastrophic flood conditions. But forests are critical to delaying water that would otherwise be delivered rapidly to river's main channel. The flood hydrograph of the upper Guadalupe mirrors that of a highly developed urban watershed (rapid rise, rapid fall). So, there needs to be a lot more attention devoted to keeping the water on the land. Even allowing beavers to restore the water storage capacity of the upper Guadalupe River would be a good place to start.


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"because some local officials felt it was too expensive to install" DBoon Jul 8 #1
They will discover how expensive it is with all the lawsuits that will be filed. mwmisses4289 Jul 8 #13
Might not Old Crank Jul 8 #24
The following is from Wikipedia regarding the phrase "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face." John1956PA Jul 8 #22
it should say barbtries Jul 8 #23
Many/most small Texas towns have an alarm system used by the fire department to warm of tornadoes. efhmc Jul 8 #2
Not in this part of Texas. LeftInTX Jul 8 #14
Austin does not have them either. pinkstarburst Jul 8 #17
I'm not saying I have $10k floating around to buy one but... cadoman Jul 8 #21
More involved than the cost of a siren. Old Crank Jul 8 #25
I'm not saying it's $0, but I think this gives us a scale of the cost we're talking here cadoman Jul 8 #27
Most of the cities around here do not have them pinkstarburst Jul 8 #29
The Texas Hill Country's Balcones Fault line makes tornados rare and usually cause limited damage. summer_in_TX Jul 9 #36
Austin does not have sirens pinkstarburst Jul 8 #16
Air raid siren. efhmc Jul 8 #32
1,800 people in our small borough, gab13by13 Jul 8 #3
They have them in Tsunami zones and the Hill Country has more flash floods. The cost can't be too prohibitive. surfered Jul 8 #4
Yes I know Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 8 #6
They also have lahar warning sirens here in the Mt. Rainier river valleys Trailrider1951 Jul 8 #11
exactly gopiscrap Jul 8 #20
K&R spanone Jul 8 #5
Re short-sighted, selfish people who don't want to pay taxes for what communities need: Attilatheblond Jul 8 #7
Even TX Lt. Gov. gets it. Now. moondust Jul 8 #8
te same kind of siren that every town had whem we were ducking and covering under our desks rampartd Jul 8 #9
Where I grew up they tested air raid sirens every Saturday at noon. No matter where you were you could hear them. flashman13 Jul 8 #19
Wow - how much would it cost to install a few sirens and perhaps warning lights? waterwatcher123 Jul 8 #10
What? There aren't "forests" on the Edward's Plateau. It's a "savanna" LeftInTX Jul 8 #15
The imagery certainly makes it look like lots of the upland areas have been cleared. waterwatcher123 Jul 8 #35
No. Upland areas have never been cleared. As a matter of fact, trees have increased due to human settlement. LeftInTX Jul 9 #37
Thanks for the nice pictures, imagery and explanations (appreciate it). waterwatcher123 Jul 9 #39
Flood alarms are for fancy book learnin' librul smarty pants. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 8 #12
A warning siren in a flood plain town? Gimpyknee Jul 8 #18
Not the good idea you think it is. Jirel Jul 8 #33
My small town has several sirens, and they get tested once a month at 10 a.m. on a Saturday morning. Sogo Jul 8 #26
Ours are tested Littlered Jul 8 #28
What a ridiculous article. Jirel Jul 8 #30
You know what's prohibitive to me? The cost of losing a loved one. Buddyzbuddy Jul 8 #31
A siren/water depth gauge systm on the river bank is not that expensive. The governor and Sen. Cruz... brush Jul 8 #34
Sirens might help to a degree pinkstarburst Jul 9 #38
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