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LeftInTX

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37. No. Upland areas have never been cleared. As a matter of fact, trees have increased due to human settlement.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 10:48 AM
Jul 9

That's because wildfires controlled vegetation before it was settled.

There is no industry in the area. The soil is so rocky that crops can't be grown. Angora goats are the most common livestock.

Here is natural vegetation at the headwaters of the Guadalupe River. Notice that trees literally grow out of rocks. Notice there is no soil. Seeds drop in cracks and and sometimes it takes years for plants to germinate. It doesn't rain very much over here! It's semi-arid.

Below these rocks are caves with water.
The junipers slow water runoff.



Here is vegetation on the Guadalupe River at the city park in downtown Kerrville



Notice the beautiful bald cypress. The cypress trees do moderate the flows. Cypress only grow in the water.

Our rivers and water are sacred! These towns basically exist as resorts.

There are beavers in the area, but their populations are low. They have never been hunted for fur in this part of Texas.

East Texas, is an entirely different ecosystem. If you look at maps of East Texas, you will see lush vegetation. Yet that is a timber producing area and it gets about 60 inches of rain per year. There is lot of industry in East Texas too. It all has to do with the amount of rain. So, lush doesn't tell the whole story!

I agree that Camp Mystic is in a terrible place with regards to flooding. It's between a creek and the river and it appears much of it literally in an old river bank. (Maybe built on a gravel bar). It also appears to have a dry creek coming from the top of the hill. (arroyo) If you built prior to flood zoning, your structures can stay. Camp Mystic has been around since 1926. Also, FEMA allows "cabins", "temporary structures" in flood plains.







Map Shows Texas Girls’ Camp Where Dozens Drowned Was Located in High-Risk Flood Zone (Caveat: Many campgrounds in parks, state and national are in food zones!. Plop your tent next to a lake. You are taking a risk. You are generally responsible for monitoring the weather)
https://www.realtor.com/news/real-estate-news/map-texas-girls-camp-mystic-flood-zone/

Here is the oldest aerial of Camp Mystic that I can find. It's from 1938. There also seems to be a drainage channel from the top of the hill. It may look benign when dry, but those areas can turn into torrents.



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"because some local officials felt it was too expensive to install" DBoon Jul 8 #1
They will discover how expensive it is with all the lawsuits that will be filed. mwmisses4289 Jul 8 #13
Might not Old Crank Jul 8 #24
The following is from Wikipedia regarding the phrase "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face." John1956PA Jul 8 #22
it should say barbtries Jul 8 #23
Many/most small Texas towns have an alarm system used by the fire department to warm of tornadoes. efhmc Jul 8 #2
Not in this part of Texas. LeftInTX Jul 8 #14
Austin does not have them either. pinkstarburst Jul 8 #17
I'm not saying I have $10k floating around to buy one but... cadoman Jul 8 #21
More involved than the cost of a siren. Old Crank Jul 8 #25
I'm not saying it's $0, but I think this gives us a scale of the cost we're talking here cadoman Jul 8 #27
Most of the cities around here do not have them pinkstarburst Jul 8 #29
The Texas Hill Country's Balcones Fault line makes tornados rare and usually cause limited damage. summer_in_TX Jul 9 #36
Austin does not have sirens pinkstarburst Jul 8 #16
Air raid siren. efhmc Jul 8 #32
1,800 people in our small borough, gab13by13 Jul 8 #3
They have them in Tsunami zones and the Hill Country has more flash floods. The cost can't be too prohibitive. surfered Jul 8 #4
Yes I know Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 8 #6
They also have lahar warning sirens here in the Mt. Rainier river valleys Trailrider1951 Jul 8 #11
exactly gopiscrap Jul 8 #20
K&R spanone Jul 8 #5
Re short-sighted, selfish people who don't want to pay taxes for what communities need: Attilatheblond Jul 8 #7
Even TX Lt. Gov. gets it. Now. moondust Jul 8 #8
te same kind of siren that every town had whem we were ducking and covering under our desks rampartd Jul 8 #9
Where I grew up they tested air raid sirens every Saturday at noon. No matter where you were you could hear them. flashman13 Jul 8 #19
Wow - how much would it cost to install a few sirens and perhaps warning lights? waterwatcher123 Jul 8 #10
What? There aren't "forests" on the Edward's Plateau. It's a "savanna" LeftInTX Jul 8 #15
The imagery certainly makes it look like lots of the upland areas have been cleared. waterwatcher123 Jul 8 #35
No. Upland areas have never been cleared. As a matter of fact, trees have increased due to human settlement. LeftInTX Jul 9 #37
Thanks for the nice pictures, imagery and explanations (appreciate it). waterwatcher123 Jul 9 #39
Flood alarms are for fancy book learnin' librul smarty pants. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 8 #12
A warning siren in a flood plain town? Gimpyknee Jul 8 #18
Not the good idea you think it is. Jirel Jul 8 #33
My small town has several sirens, and they get tested once a month at 10 a.m. on a Saturday morning. Sogo Jul 8 #26
Ours are tested Littlered Jul 8 #28
What a ridiculous article. Jirel Jul 8 #30
You know what's prohibitive to me? The cost of losing a loved one. Buddyzbuddy Jul 8 #31
A siren/water depth gauge systm on the river bank is not that expensive. The governor and Sen. Cruz... brush Jul 8 #34
Sirens might help to a degree pinkstarburst Jul 9 #38
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