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8. Come ON. One side wants peace and the other does not. The word "surrender" doesn't have to be in any real peace action.

Sat Jul 12, 2025, 08:56 PM

Jul 12

Just a quiet withdrawal and Ukraine's rebuilding. And maybe Putin having more time to do something good for the Russian people for a change.

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World Bank mobilizes $80 billion to reconstruct Ukraine [View all] ancianita Jul 12 OP

Glad you think so, erronis, and glad you posted more from it. ancianita Jul 12 #4

How do you define winning? WarGamer Jul 12 #5

Putin withdrawing what's left of his troops. ancianita Jul 12 #6

Neither side seems interested in peace... if peace means surrender. WarGamer Jul 12 #7

Peace doesn't mean surrender. So ... Scrivener7 Jul 12 #9

Ah, the old "both sides" song and dance BannonsLiver Jul 13 #10