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pat_k

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68. Here's some "extra-credit" reading when you get to the episode....
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 09:01 PM
Jul 12

... on empathy and interconnectedness, where he discusses Schopenhauer.


Uncle Joe's post Human Empathy & Interconnectedness - Joseph Campbell - 1986, in which Joseph Campbell quotes Schopenhauer prompted me to go back and review bits of his writings.

The following from Schopenhauer's The Basis of Morality on the "radical difference of mental habit between the good character and the bad" really struck me.

Page 277

The preponderance of either mode of viewing life not only determines single acts; it shapes a man's whole nature and temperament. Hence the radical difference of mental habit between the good character and the bad.

The latter feels everywhere that a thick wall of partition hedges him off from all others. For him the world is an absolute non-ego, and his relation to it an essentially hostile one; consequently, the key-note of his disposition is hatred, suspicion, envy, and pleasure in seeing distress.

The good character, on the other hand, lives in an external world homogeneous with his own being; the rest of mankind is not in his eyes a non-ego; he thinks of it rather as "myself once more." He therefore stands on an essentially amicable footing with every one: he is conscious of being, in his inmost nature, akin to the whole human race, takes direct interest in their weal and woe, and confidently assumes in their case the same interest in him. This is the source of his deep inward peace, and of that happy, calm, contented manner, which goes out on those around him, and is as the "presence of a good diffused."

Whereas the bad character in time of trouble has no trust in the help of his fellow-creatures. If he invokes aid, he does so without confidence: obtained, he feels no real gratitude for it; because he can hardly discern therein anything but the effect of others' folly. For he is simply incapable of recognising his own self in some one else; and this, even after it has furnished the most incontestible signs of existence in that other person: on which fact the repulsive nature of all unthankfulness in reality depends. The moral isolation, which thus naturally and inevitably encompasses the bad man, is often the cause of his becoming the victim of despair.

The good man, on the contrary, will appeal to his neighbours for assistance, with an assurance equal to the consciousness he has of being ready himself to help them. As I have said: to the one type, humanity is a non-ego; to the other, "myself once more." The magnanimous character, who forgives his enemy, and returns good for evil, rises to the sublime, and receives the highest meed of praise; because he recognises his real self even there where it is most conspicuously disowned.


As I read the following bit, DT's "suckers and losers" echoed in my head:

"he feels no real gratitude for it; because he can hardly discern therein anything but the effect of others' folly. "

Page 214

Boundless compassion for all living beings is the surest and most certain guarantee of pure moral conduct, and needs no casuistry. Whoever is filled with it will assuredly injure no one, do harm to no one, encroach on no man's rights; he will rather have regard for every one, forgive every one, help every one as far as he can, and all his actions will bear the stamp of justice and loving-kindness.


People connected to our basic common humanity and compassion will always be the counterweight to those of "bad character." Compassion is a mighty force. Hold on to it.


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Bit by bit and then ... suddenly. The "tipping point" has not been reached yet. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 12 #1
This Epstein thing may have legs. These two creeps were besties for a decade. Joinfortmill Jul 12 #34
There's no honor among thieves The Blue Flower Jul 12 #2
Elon will tell Trump's secrets milestogo Jul 12 #3
Yea, 5 years from now. kacekwl Jul 12 #7
lmfao ZDU Jul 12 #9
This right here ms liberty Jul 12 #10
And when he finally b passes away The Madcap Jul 12 #4
I hope it's soon AverageOldGuy Jul 12 #8
My friend is worried that if he dies, he will become a martyr. tavernier Jul 12 #12
Most of the country will be singing... milestogo Jul 12 #13
In the GOP, there are a hundred wicked witches waiting to take his place mdbl Jul 12 #19
Will the cult follow President Vance? ninjanurse Jul 12 #25
I don't think he has the same "charm" as TSF. milestogo Jul 12 #28
I agree. I've thought that all along. NH Ethylene Jul 12 #48
J.D. Vance is effortlessly abrasive. milestogo Jul 12 #50
but the cult likes that. mdbl Jul 12 #54
I personally don't think so. HeartsCanHope Jul 12 #58
I doubt it. The Madcap Jul 12 #63
i will be singing the ding dong song myself if he croaks in office . AllaN01Bear Jul 12 #20
That party will dwarf the 2020 election celebration IbogaProject Jul 12 #15
Interesting theory. Iggo Jul 12 #42
What Does That Mean Though? ProfessorGAC Jul 12 #52
Not "on his casket"! ChazInAz Jul 13 #81
All the 'good Americans' Joinfortmill Jul 12 #35
Hopefully we'll all still be here to counter their lies! HeartsCanHope Jul 12 #57
Yes, we can hope PatSeg Jul 12 #5
I agree. Incompetence inevitably leads to disaster. Martin68 Jul 12 #6
Remove Joan, Insert Donnie... ZDU Jul 12 #11
This is priceless! Joinfortmill Jul 12 #36
Yes, yes indeed! ZDU Jul 12 #46
I'm feeling like the outrage of what the orange Hitler is doing is going to come to a head and people kimbutgar Jul 12 #14
He's going to lose "the cult" when the Epstein documents are revealed FakeNoose Jul 12 #16
Ha! ROFL. Joinfortmill Jul 12 #38
Every last one of them could disappear from the Earth and not be missed Orrex Jul 12 #17
I have no hope mdbl Jul 12 #18
Also, it is a cult built on a foundation of LIES Martin Eden Jul 12 #21
Speaking of cults, Nazi Germany didn't crumble for good until April, 1945 . . . . hatrack Jul 12 #47
True, and there are similarities between the Fascism of Hitler and Trump Martin Eden Jul 12 #55
You hit on the classic irony DFW Jul 13 #75
You summed it up very well in two sentences Martin Eden Jul 13 #78
His actions at times lead to suspicions of exactly that DFW Jul 13 #80
Sometimes it doesn't collapse until the country is turned into rubble LS0999 Jul 12 #22
Yup, let's hope there's a permanent intervention before that occurs. Joinfortmill Jul 12 #40
And in our case, there's no one to save us from ourselves The Madcap Jul 12 #64
To borrow an idea from Honest Abe Lincoln... ProudMNDemocrat Jul 12 #23
Last week would be nice! niyad Jul 12 #24
I really hope the cult of Trump goes full purple koolaid. lapfog_1 Jul 12 #26
Well, let's see: Branch Davidians went out in blaze of "glory"; Heaven's Gate - suicides,; People's Temple - AnotherMother4Peace Jul 12 #27
Fascists Are Ouroboros MayReasonRule Jul 12 #29
Wow, that is a great word! milestogo Jul 12 #32
The Gnostics Understood The Difference Between Religion And Mythology MayReasonRule Jul 12 #51
PBS is rerunning Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth" with Bill Moyers. llmart Jul 12 #62
I Have A Hardback Copy Of Transformations Of Myth Through Time And A Softback Of The Hero With A Thousand Faces MayReasonRule Jul 12 #65
Here's some "extra-credit" reading when you get to the episode.... pat_k Jul 12 #68
Thanks. llmart Jul 12 #70
Thank you for posting that, I was just about to look up the word ouroboros Meadowoak Jul 13 #76
This is true Hey Joe Jul 12 #53
Unfortunately, when they reach that tipping point of no return ... aggiesal Jul 12 #30
The Moonies still exist, murielm99 Jul 12 #31
I sure as hell hope so. Trump and his band of traitors are doing a good job of taking our federal government down. Joinfortmill Jul 12 #33
I wish this were true angrychair Jul 12 #37
Other observations the different maga cult. Duncanpup Jul 12 #39
Whew moose65 Jul 12 #41
Foreign Enemies May Exploit Such A Collapse 2na fisherman Jul 12 #43
Yes, you are right. Haggard Celine Jul 13 #77
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I just plowed through this- BumRushDaShow Jul 12 #45
Kremlinology is pointless when staring down the barrel JCMach1 Jul 12 #49
I certainly hope so, too! HeartsCanHope Jul 12 #56
The only glue holding it together is hate tied to money. ananda Jul 12 #59
I believe the cult will collapse from its own weight. It will take a number of people with it though, Linda ladeewolf Jul 12 #60
It takes intelligence, rules, laws to make any system work bucolic_frolic Jul 12 #61
I have zero doubt they will implode Skittles Jul 12 #66
And as the spell breaks for some, let's extend a little grace. pat_k Jul 12 #67
I think it has to be a bit of an awakening mountain grammy Jul 12 #69
Dunno. We've had bumper crops of crooks, liars, and m-fuggin morons in recent years struggle4progress Jul 12 #71
But what happens when the cult has the support (tacit or explicit) of most of the media... progressoid Jul 13 #72
I recall all this kind of "the end is near" "another shoe dropped" talk during his #45 term. C Moon Jul 13 #73
I think it already has collapsed. ReRe Jul 13 #74
When we garner the courage to stand against a half-wit criminal dlilafae Jul 13 #79
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